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DS9 s2e5 "Cardassians"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can somebody please explain the reason behind Keiko hate?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)
  • Poor chemistry between two of the best actors on the show
  • the most prominent example of a married couple in Trek, which includes some communication issues and as such appears more negative
  • she's often seen as shrill or unwilling to compromise toward O'Brien's duties to Starfleet
  • more than 1 instance of pushing her dietary preferences despite his not liking it (he does try though)

There's probably more, but it boils down to weak writing and characterization. But mostly, it's for the memes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 43 minutes ago

She was also pretty unremarkable in TNG, a total background character- not ragging, but they never explored her character very well- compare her to Luxwana Troi….

Luxwana had fewer episodes but way more character development. The DS9 rolls out and they take her into a harpy.

They definitely could have handled their character better,

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Poor chemistry between two of the best actors on the show

The woman who plays Keiko is one of the best actors on the show? Jeez, you'd never know it from how the writers used her...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Think of it like Joffrey in Game of Thrones, if there's a character portrayed as unlikeable and you agree, they're doing their job. That aside, she's done some solid VO, plus her roles in What Dreams May Come and 3 Body Problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

What Dreams May Come, fuck :(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

So it's more like hate on O'Brienship, rather than Keiko?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My wife and I always blame O'brien (at least in TNG. Haven't watched the other series he's in).

Dude marries a woman and proceeds knows basically nothing about her family/culture.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, never understood where the attraction originated. Her first appearance on TNG is for their damned wedding! No build-up, just blam. Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend watching DS9, which is the series where O'Brien gets his spot in the sun. From where we leave them in TNG and pickup at the station, is a whole other story. Through the good and bad, worth its weight in latinum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Definitely been on my list. Just never got around to it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My guess, it's because they don't have a lot of chemistry in DS9, and he acts "O'brien is always sad" when around her.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's funny I did a rewatch recently and I realized he's kind of obsessed about her the way Julian is about him and she kind of treats him the same way. Julian wants to play darts, nah he wants to go hang with Keiko, nah Keiko wants to get back to having a a career, he should go hang with Julian! Now Miles is making the face Julian made when he ditched Julian lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago