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To win against Trump all we need to do is get him on a stage in a debate with someone who treats it like a comedy club roast and just strip away any sense of 'this guy is cool and I wanna have a beer with him' used car salesman slickness. That is his only gift and saving grace. If people just dropped the suspension of disbelief for 5 seconds they'd realize he's just full of shit. Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story. We're dealing with a 5th grader surrounded by 5th graders. If you use actual talking points you're a fucking nerd and people will make fun of you until you are nothing more than a joke. Get the dogs to turn on the top dog for 5 seconds and he's shreds. The moment he has to rely on any rational explanation they'd just pile on
"Trump is in touch with the working class, he actually just pulled a double at the paprika factory" >>>> facts
Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.
Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.
If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].
This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.
This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing
Yeah… I don’t think you understand how politics works or how power works or who is really in power[1][2] or how the media & propaganda work. Your arguments are in the world of pure idealism. Real politics scarcely happens in the marketplace of ideas.
I don’t know why you think I’m suggesting anything of the sort.
I’m not talking to Trump supporters, I’m talking to you. But you’re so dense and smugly sure of your brilliance that you’re not going to listen, so I’ll stop now.
Lmao, this was my first thought after reading this thread
why are dems trying to appeal to trump supporters?? they will never ever vote for you! that's the entire point! this campaign failed because they tried to appeal to trump voters and ate shit!! holy fuck, maybe they should focus on appealing to their voter base, the people who might actually vote for them. jesus christ lmao democrats are fucking doomed.
TBF, a not an insignificant number of them had previously been Sanders supporters. But if the DNC isn’t going to allow a Sanders into the general election, that is moot.
Love.
Unrequited love.
time for plan B, love didn't work out :/
It really sucks that you're right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don't seem to get about what you're saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it's intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he's a strongman. It doesn't matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can't swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic "undecideds" the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.
Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.
That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it's not just about charisma, it's about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you'll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.
Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn't the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don't like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.
Obama would win against Trump so drop the 'outnazi the nazi' shit right now.
Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.
Democrats would rather lose than move one Planck length to the left.
Yes. And I will never forgive them for that.