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I've got a spicy take, but desperately want to get it off my chest (self.tenforward)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Ashyr to c/[email protected]

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My wife and I are rewatching The Next Generation and just finished Measure of a Man, the episode in season 2 in which Data’s personhood is legally debated and his life hangs in the balance.

I genuinely found this episode infuriating in its stupidity. It’s the first episode we skipped even a little bit. It was like nails on a chalkboard.

There is oodles of legal precedent that Data is a person. He was allowed to apply to Starfleet, graduated, became an officer and rose to the rank of Lt. Commander with all the responsibilities and privileges thereof.

Comparing him to a computer and the judge advocate general just shrugging and going to trial over it is completely idiotic. There are literal years and years of precedent that he’s an officer.

The problem is compounded because Picard can’t make the obvious legal argument and is therefore stuck philosophizing in a court room, which is all well and good, but it kind of comes down to whether or not Data has a soul? That’s not a legal argument.

The whole thing is so unbelievably ludicrous it just made me angrier and angrier. It wasn’t the high minded, humanistic future I’ve come to know and love, it was a kangaroo court where reason and precedent took a backseat to feeling and belief.

I genuinely hated it.

To my surprise, in looking it up, I discovered it’s considered one of the high water marks for the entire show. It feels like I’m taking crazy pills.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Voyager had it's own "Measure of a Man" episode a la the EMH in Season 7, episode 20 "Author, Author". A lot of the same themes were there. But what has bothered me for years is at the end of the episode, it's implied that there is a number of EMH units that have been "reading" the Doctor's holonovel, and building a resistance.

This was never explored in any future Star Trek, was it? It wasn't talked about in Picard or Lower Decks. And Picard had the whole AI plot line.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Hey, you want to hear a spicy take?

Discovery is the one piece of Trek that fixes their dumb AI nonsense.

By the time they are in the post-postapocalypse future they introduce at least one Soong android who is just... hanging out, being a guy. Not even a particularly nice guy. So at least there is that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It really bothered me that they didn't even mention the doctor, what with seven of nine being there and the ai plotline. But after watching more of Picard, I'm glad they didn't and especially glad they mostly steered clear of ds9.