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I've got a spicy take, but desperately want to get it off my chest (self.tenforward)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by Ashyr to c/[email protected]

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My wife and I are rewatching The Next Generation and just finished Measure of a Man, the episode in season 2 in which Data’s personhood is legally debated and his life hangs in the balance.

I genuinely found this episode infuriating in its stupidity. It’s the first episode we skipped even a little bit. It was like nails on a chalkboard.

There is oodles of legal precedent that Data is a person. He was allowed to apply to Starfleet, graduated, became an officer and rose to the rank of Lt. Commander with all the responsibilities and privileges thereof.

Comparing him to a computer and the judge advocate general just shrugging and going to trial over it is completely idiotic. There are literal years and years of precedent that he’s an officer.

The problem is compounded because Picard can’t make the obvious legal argument and is therefore stuck philosophizing in a court room, which is all well and good, but it kind of comes down to whether or not Data has a soul? That’s not a legal argument.

The whole thing is so unbelievably ludicrous it just made me angrier and angrier. It wasn’t the high minded, humanistic future I’ve come to know and love, it was a kangaroo court where reason and precedent took a backseat to feeling and belief.

I genuinely hated it.

To my surprise, in looking it up, I discovered it’s considered one of the high water marks for the entire show. It feels like I’m taking crazy pills.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its an allegory for the civil rights movement regarding race if I recall correctly, which I think people appreciate, and are just frustrated with certain details of how the story was contrived to express its ideas.

I remember liking it okay, but I frankly don't remember it well, I mostly just remember sobbing a lot at the episode where data has a child because I love Data a whole bunch

[–] Ashyr 1 points 2 weeks ago

That episode was very good, but had a similarly ludicrous hook, with the evil scientist wanting to rip the child from Data’s arms, which ultimately results in her death.