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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by Ashyr to c/[email protected]

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My wife and I are rewatching The Next Generation and just finished Measure of a Man, the episode in season 2 in which Data’s personhood is legally debated and his life hangs in the balance.

I genuinely found this episode infuriating in its stupidity. It’s the first episode we skipped even a little bit. It was like nails on a chalkboard.

There is oodles of legal precedent that Data is a person. He was allowed to apply to Starfleet, graduated, became an officer and rose to the rank of Lt. Commander with all the responsibilities and privileges thereof.

Comparing him to a computer and the judge advocate general just shrugging and going to trial over it is completely idiotic. There are literal years and years of precedent that he’s an officer.

The problem is compounded because Picard can’t make the obvious legal argument and is therefore stuck philosophizing in a court room, which is all well and good, but it kind of comes down to whether or not Data has a soul? That’s not a legal argument.

The whole thing is so unbelievably ludicrous it just made me angrier and angrier. It wasn’t the high minded, humanistic future I’ve come to know and love, it was a kangaroo court where reason and precedent took a backseat to feeling and belief.

I genuinely hated it.

To my surprise, in looking it up, I discovered it’s considered one of the high water marks for the entire show. It feels like I’m taking crazy pills.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You are not taking crazy pills, its premise does suffer when watched with a "critical eye" (i.e. thinking about it even a little).

The reason it's remembered so fondly (imho) is two fold. It is one of the first "thought provoking" episodes. And the first couple of seasons were... not the best to put it mildly.

edit: admittedly, I do enjoy it, but I really have to turn my brain off to do so.

[–] Ashyr 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly, the validation means the world to me. The performances were all top notch and I get the idea they’re going for, but how they went there was so painful and contrived.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

lol, no kidding. Even watching it as a kid my first thought was, "the fate of Data's rights can be determined in an impromptu court session with bridge crew acting as lawyers!? Shouldn't they have... real courts for this?". At the time I didn't consider the limitations of the show of course, and I do think the willingness to tackle high concepts was what made the show so special. But damn did the limitations show in this one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Especially back then, people made exceptions for scifi shows bc even remotely good ones were in such short supply. Also the limitations were quite severe - for funding, for each episode having to fully wrap up by its end and therefore be almost entirely self-contained (except season-bridging 2-parters with cliffhangers stitching them together), and even then people might end up rewatching them in a different order later on, before e.g. VCRs existed and started becoming more common.

Though in many more ways than one, not only irt that, it is one of the better shows of all time. Certainly in comparison with the large majority of its successors.