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The atmosphere is so heated, and the statements are getting more and more extreme. Let's just assume Harris wins the election. After a campaign like this, how could you ever have a normal relationship with your pro-Trump neighbor/father-in-law/Uncle/Barber or what ever again?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

You live through enough of these "Most Pivotal Elections" and the effect is muted.

I remember Bush winning in 2004 vividly, the soul-crushing realization that Americans were ready to continue the relentless slaughter of Arabs for another four years with a fuck-you kicker to anyone LGBT looking to come out of the shadows and get married. (Nevermind the shady vote counting in Ohio).

That was after the 2000 election was stolen in full view of the public by a nakedly corrupt court.

"How could so many people be so blaise about this shameless disregard for democracy, civil rights, and rule of law?"

But then 2008 rolls along and suddenly I'm surrounded by conservative revanchists who want to talk about secession, because a black guy just won the presidency. And it begins to occur to me... "Oh, I'm just living in a fascist country".

Now, having familiarized myself with US history a bit more, another fascist winning in one more corrupted and propaganda soaked election cycle makes perfect sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think Bush ever sunk to the depths of the Hitler-like rhetoric that Trump and his cronies have been using, however. Maybe the guardrails will hold if Trump wins again (or loses again) but this is not normal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

The Bush administration pioneered the theory of the unitary executive, which is the idea that the president can do anything because he is the president. They're the ones who kicked over the guardrails, they just did it in the context of an endless war that they started. For more on this I recommend Sheldon Wolin's work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Not rhetoric, but deeds. I bet Bush killed far more people than Trump did, even including COVID mismanagement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

Great point about the relentless slaughter of Arabs. So easily forgotten how many innocents America slaughtered during this time period. America is morally rotten to the core, high on its own supply of hatred and cruelty.