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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (29 children)

I knew all these single issue fake leftists were full of shit when it was revealed that Trump has been sabotaging peace talks and they weren't immediately outraged by that revelation.

Nah, they all have a political objective, and it doesn't involve peace in the middle east. Their objective is to use genocide as a political wedge to divide the left and get Trump elected.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I knew all these single issue fake leftists were full of shit when it was revealed that Trump has been sabotaging peace talks and they weren’t immediately outraged by that revelation.

Why would anyone even be surprised by that? We're mad because Democrats see what's happening between Trump and Netanyahu and are doing what Netanyahu wants anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is a lot more going on in the Middle East than any American citizen can understand. Voting for ANY candidate will not fix it. Even if we voted in a candidate that vehemently opposed Israel, nothing would change. Our military and I intelligence network there is dependent on a strong Israel.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it except purge congress and get all anti Israel politicians. Good luck making that happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There is a lot more going on in the Middle East than any American citizen can understand.

"Oh, your feeble anti-genocide mind just can't imagine the vastness of why we have to keep doing everything Netanyahu wants!"

Democracy is on the line. Our singleminded devotion to the right-wing government of a genocidal apartheid state is less important than preserving democracy itself. But not to Democrats.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

I’m a leftist. I don’t want you to change whoever you’re voting for, vote what you feel is right.

What I do want you to do is be honest. I believe that the only way we can fix things is to admit the reality of the situation that we’re in.

I want you to admit that you’re voting for a genocidal candidate. Because either way if you’re voting Trump or Harris, you’re voting a genocidal candidate.

Once you can admit that, then we can start thinking about fixing it.

If you’re just going to shove your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge your complicity in the system, then you are a slave to it.

[–] b_n 17 points 1 month ago (17 children)

I have not seen many leftists not agree that both votes are for genocide - that's just a given.

But protesting the system during the election is daft. Do you want genocide, or more genocide? You are not a slave to the system if you vote and then actually do something about it to change it.

Ignoring the current system is plain ignorance. Voting doesn't make you a slave. Voting and giving up makes you a slave. How about vote and campaign for change instead. Despair does not lead to change.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have not seen many leftists not agree that both votes are for genocide - that's just a given.

Neither have I. I’ve seen hundreds of liberals argue that fact, though. I’ve had comments deleted elsewhere on Lemmy for “misinformation” for stating that Harris is genocidal.

So I apologise for not sharing your hopeful perspective that we can change the system after the election, because your peers refuse to acknowledge that the system needs to be changed. Perhaps you need to be replying to commenters other than me, because you don’t need to persuade me. Persuade THEM. The rest of the democrat-voting public.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I 100% agree that this is classic manufactured consent, and there is no real choice in this election.

I also want there to be a real choice in the future. The least we can do in the future is get ranked choice voting and do away with the electoral college. Almost literally the least; those are so bare minimum that they can't even be called radical.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I sit here with my hand in the sand.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's funny how people who "hate both parties" only ever wanna criticize the Left

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or when he invited Netanyahu to Mar-a-lago in july 2024.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Calling a genocide a “single issue” is offensive as fuck. It’s not fake leftist. Liberals can continue to cry and blame everyone else but themselves when they lose.

It’s really easy. Kamala harris could change her view on israel tomorrow, but she won’t. After all, AIPAC owns both parties.

If the dems gave a flying fuck about “preventing fascism” they would do whatever it takes. They won’t.

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