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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even if you're voting Harris et al., don't you think they should be called out for supporting genocide?

Yes. Full stop.

Have you even tried to convince Biden or Harris or your reps in Congress to stop supporting genocide?

Yes, and not just on the Internet. I am fortunate enough to have some influence, but to be fair Gaza is one of the subjects and not the only subject matter I push for.

Moreover, once they know that they can get enough votes and win while supporting genocide, then they'll know they can do anything and have enough votes to win. While all paths lead to increasingly fascistic governance in the US, the path you're advocating is the most accelerationist scenario.

This is a tough one, not gonna lie. First, if it was anyone other than Trump and the guarantee of a fascist dictatorship under his rule (and it would be "rule") running, I would not vote for Harris. Second, and much more important, is that nowadays I have far less influence than in the past. Ten to fourteen years ago I would have the opportunity to sit and talk with politicians in Texas and I even used to have the occasional chat with Obama whenever he visited Austin. Now I have none of that AND amongst my colleagues in the tech sector I seem to be the only one who cares about Gaza and Palestinians in any measurable form. The ugly truth is that I do not see a good way to enact pressure at the moment. What I do know is that under a Trump administration the complete obliteration of the Palestinian people is guaranteed. Under Harris I could at least make some calls without getting jailed or falling out of a window.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

This is a tough one, not gonna lie. First, if it was anyone other than Trump and the guarantee of a fascist dictatorship under his rule (and it would be "rule") running, I would not vote for Harris.

Then I am happy to inform you that Trump would never be a fascist dictator. There is no crisis of capitalism in this country that requires such a thing, the capitalist class that actually dictates the terms likes the system working exactly how it does now. They are in the heart of empire that provides them with super-profits through financial schemes and militarism.

Trump is rude and hamfisted and reactionary, but he cannot take a seat as a proper fascist because fascism is about restoring capitalist interests under major threat, namely an insurgent left, itself responding to a crisis of capitalism like loss of imperialist status and transformation into a further and further imperialized country.

Unfortunately, the US basically has no left. This is pretty obvious from how well normalization of genocide is going.

But given your statement, so long as you understand, correctly, that Trump will not be a dictator, then you will not vote for Harris, and I assume that you won't advocate for her, either.

So that really just leaves one question: can you find any fault in my logic on Trump becoming a dictator?