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"I'm trying to establish that we're using the same definition of "centrist"."
I don't hear any questions or establishing statements.
we did kind of cover this in your earlier content.
"I don't see how you could defend centrists"
I can see how, but I'm not defending centrists here so much as I am opposing mob rule based on disinformation.
"Their views are halfway between reasonable and unthinkable."
this is a poorly thought out analysis of centrism.
I doubt if you had a list in front of you with yes or no questions on every major policy, you'd find yourself, and most people, a lot closer to the center than you like to imagine.
are you a liberal?
do you support unregulated immigration?
If not, you're a centrist.
are you a conservative?
do you support right to try medication?
If so, you're a centrist.
now think of how many policies there are, and how many you agree with the most extreme policy proposals on the left and right.
are you sure you're smack dab on one end or the other?
if not....
Is there a language barrier here?
I asked if you disagreed about a proposed definition. You said no, establishing that you agree with it.
One disagreement with a policy does not make you a centrist lol
Given the sheer amount of policies, anyone would disagree with at least one, and that's assuming there's even a defined take that each political category has on every possible policy question, which there isn't. This definition is impossibly strict and makes the concept of "centrist" meaningless. This is why I attempted to establish a definition earlier, if you're still confused what the purpose of that was.
Liberals and conservatives are not clubs that you enter and define your viewpoints based off of, with centrists being people who haven't chosen a club. Rather, "liberal" and "conservative" are rough categories of related opinions and systems of thought that one may be closer or further from. The degree to which someone is centrist is the degree to which they hold simultaneous opinions from opposing groups, or opinions that are not close to those of any group. There is a scale on which some people will be "more liberal" or "more conservative" or "more centrist" or what have you. Again, to summarize, if everyone is a centrist then noone will be. You don't have to be "smack dab on one end" to fit into a category. Just close enough. You can even define it more fuzzily (ie. center-left).
Now, given that I've estaished the common definition of centrism that the OP and I and everyone else in the tread is using, centrism in the context of American politics necessarily means that you hold a non-negligible number of conservative views, or simply don't hold strong views at all.
And given what I said above, calling centrists out for republican policies may be less accurate than calling republicans out for them, but there's a good chance it's still true and it's a more importsnt target for the message the OP was conveying.
"Is there a language barrier here?"
Yes, but I'm trying to help you with that.
"I asked if you disagreed about a proposed definition."
No, you did not ask if I disagreed with a proposed definition.
you wrote: "I'm trying to establish that we're using the same definition of "centrist"
without offering a definition or asking any questions.
"Given the sheer amount of policies, anyone would disagree with at least one"
good point.
likely with many.
I wonder how many people disagree with multiple party policies?
hm.
"...if you're still confused what the purpose of that was."
If there is one thing your comments are not, that is confusing.
"Liberals and conservatives are not clubs that you enter and define your viewpoints based off of"
source? any sliver of evidence?
what do people vote more often for?
The policies they comprehensively read and understand, or their party?
"You can even define it more fuzzily"
go for it, define party affiliation as fuzzily as you'd like.
bear in mind that this hazy regulation you're coming up with also necessarily applies to centrism.
"calling centrists out for republican policies may be less accurate than calling republicans out for them"
it is definitively inaccurate.
I don't think I'm going to bother with this convo anymore. You're not even wrong, you're just so hopelessly confused as to the threads of conversation here and frankly I'm insulted that every time you lose one you find a way to insult me. That's clearly not just a language barrier thing. Screw off with that mate
"I don't think I'm going to bother with this convo anymore"
so courteous of you to let me know you're going to stop participating the conversation by participating in the conversation.
"You're not even wrong"
i know, thanks.
"you're just so hopelessly confused as to the threads of conversation"
incorrect, I'm not confused about the conversation, I critically disagree with the basic flawed premise that nobody has been able to deny.
No matter what you want to call it, this meme, about conservative policies, features a centrist.
centrism encompasses the people on this thread slapping their knees and choking on their their guffaws while they mistakenly think they get to attack somebody who is into them.
they're just being prepped to be prejudiced toward another group who they want to peg as the other.
"Screw off with that mate".
keep not talking to me, that's really working out for you.