this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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.ml is a crap instance. The amount of highly upvoted communist propaganda as memes is staggering.
The reason why .ml is a crappy instance has nothing to do with communist propaganda. It's lack of transparency and shitty moderation practices.
I mean... por que no los dos?! :-P
Like, if you are going to start literally executing landlords, then that's one thing, but otherwise it's just a pure fantasy, imho, divorced from the harsher realities of existence. i.e. it's childish, as you've noted elsewhere, which is fine except how it is exported to the entire Fediverse without really a way to fucking turn it off.
Though I've found two: lemmy.cafe and dubvee.org both have fully defederated from lemmy.ml. Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks all each have their own approaches as well.
For me the communist propaganda there is OK because the goal of the instance is clearly to create a comfy environment for the devs, and they're interested on that content. Unlike, for example, on seeing people bringing the same old arguments against communists, over and over - this gets old really fast.
If this was openly said, in the rules, there would be no problem. People who aren't OK with this would stay away from
.ml
; and the ones who still insisted would be clearly in the wrong, even for non-communists to see.Except that in no moment they say it in the rules or the content policy. If you read both you're misled to believe that the instance is TL;DR "we focus on privacy and FOSS; everything goes except bigotry, rudeness, porn, or spam".
So for me, the issue is not the communist propaganda. It has a reason to be there. The issue is that the instance is clearly geared towards one target audience and content, but claims to be made for a wider demographic.
Right, exactly!
Also I was unclear: I am likewise not against the (actual) communist content so much as I am against the "communist" content, i.e. I was saying that it doesn't even look like actual communist content to me. Like, Russia is ostensibly a "democracy", though really is a totalitarian regime, and also capitalist, so to claim that it is "communist"... does not fit with reality itself. And similarly for China. Also, America is bad for being a democracy (BUT!) and being capitalist (B-B-BUT!?) and for supporting genocide (b... 🧠 🦗), while neither Russia nor China somehow does any of those things - certainly not towards its adjoining sovereign nations.
Though you cannot bring up such "facts" or "logic", instead you have to dance to their tune, despite never being told what it even is. And it could change at any time. And they hold community content hostage to your compliance.
Hrm, if this all sounds terribly familiar... we have seen all of this before.
For one thing, even Huffman's Reddit was not as bad as that - it too forced compliance, but at least it was fairly open about that fact. (Here I'm ignoring the toxic userbases, of both Reddit and Lemmy.ml.) And 🤮X🤮 as well, though it seems far worse there (I never had a Twitter account though, so I'm probably hugely biased by seeing only the worst examples that people show here about it). But more to the point, this sounds to me like Maga behavior - regardless of factual evidence, your behavior must conform to comply with their unwritten rules... or else. Far-left vs. far-right, I'm honestly and legitimately not seeing much difference here, especially if Russia is somehow both at the same time (once in fantasy and again in real life).
Although at some point that becomes our problem, for condoning, excusing, painting over, or even simply ignoring the issue. Fortunately, Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks are doing more about it:-).
What? No, I highly disagree.
The OP is a great example of what I'm talking about: admin in charge moderating content of a comm about a topic that they're clueless about, not arsing themself to check it, assuming the worst, telling OP to kill themself*, filling an opaque ban under "rule 1". That's all poor moderation practices, the later is lack of transparency, and the post has zero to do with communism, economy, or politics.
This shite is a dime a dozen in
.ml
. And while it does affect political topics, it's considerably wider than that.*whoever is in charge sets up the behaviour standard for the others.