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[–] Sabre363 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Or maybe race doesn't really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression

Except that is simply not true. Capitalism is far more recent that racism, unless of course you define capitalism as just "everything bad". Racism exist because of tribalism and collectivism, capitalism is a recent individualist system- and individualism amongst governments is fairly recent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think. You may be thinking of industrial capitalism, which is a more recent development.

Historical Foundations of Race

American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 20 hours ago

I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think.

No that's pretty recent, racism is millennia old. Furthermore, yes mixed economies exist, actually now they're basically the only thing that exists.

American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.

I disagree that it was capitalism that needed racism to be justified, since slavery is anti-capitalistic. But yes, fake "racial science" was used to justify slavery, that however was not the origin of racism. Roman and Greek and many other empires used ethnic/racial division to justify their oppression. Even the Mongols whose empire was "cool and accepting" by ancient empire standards still had strong sentiments of a Mongol race being different from others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Capitalism or socialism or anything else is irrelevant when most people are dumb, easy to manipulate and ready to harm others. There will always be someone willing to be a leader of these people, harming others to gain something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"I am 14 and this is deep" material here. No analysis of anything, no thoughts, just an edgy nothingburger.

What about Socialism is "irrelevant" if most people are "dumb?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That they still fall for the same manipulation as anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did. Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events. They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated. Some their whole life without ever knowing any different. The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did.

No. Read Blackshirts and Reds. Socialism doubled life expectancied in Russia and China, it saved millions of lives.

Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events.

Fascism is Capitalism in decay.

They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated.

Your fanfiction isn't reality.

The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.

You do realize that you are more propagandized, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.

[–] Sabre363 1 points 1 day ago

Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain's beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we've done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.