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More than 1.4 million have already voted in the presidential election, as battleground state polls show no clear frontrunner

More than 1.4 million people have now voted in the presidential election, as Kamala Harris and Donald Trump continue to crisscross the country in the final stretch of a neck-and-neck campaign.

Their vice-presidential picks, JD Vance and Tim Walz, also faced off this week in the only vice-presidential debate of this cycle. But initial polls suggested voters saw the debate as a draw, without clear impact on the race.

Harris earned her highest national polling average since July, though the presidential race remains extremely close in battleground states, according to the Guardian’s poll tracker. Harris is leading in five of seven swing states, according to the Guardian’s average of high-quality state polls aggregated by the polling analysis platform 538 over the last 10 days. But overall, both candidates continue to have about even odds of winning.


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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Testament to Plato’s opinion about democracy and how the masses are incapable of governing themselves as they vote with emotion rather than reason.

Trump WILL end democracy in America.

…and they’ll vote him in anyway.

End of story.

Ask me again why I hate people?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

hey, I upvoted because I feel you on this, but please don't ignore the impact of concentrated wealth on society. people have felt removed from us politics for decades. this is by design and results in the usual political grift becoming social poison as politicians from all sides mainline that money speedball. no, both "sides" are not the same, but the differences are far too minimal be be called healthy.

and, yes... people can be selfish, ignorant and prejudiced, but the worst of what we are has been weaponized against us since the first proto human claimed divine inspiration - and yet we persist still.

the 1/10 of 1% believe they can own us all in the end and, whether right or wrong, I want to define who the real monster is here - and its usually not the collective "we" in this potential game over moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

This guy gets it

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is a greasy former TV host who sweats ketchup and wears diapers.

He pretty much is the personification of America.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I've been thinking that he's the personification of the post war America. The boomer narcissistic generation. And this election is the fight between where we were as a society and where we would like to go .

Granted.. this election isn't going to change our American oligarchs, or corporate ownership, etc.. but social acceptance, personal freedoms and autonomy are very much under fire. And this election is a cross roads where we have to decide who we want to be.

America has a lot of issues. But hopefully we can put a pin in those older ways of thinking.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Trump was memed into office by 4chan the first time. This is not a generational thing we can blame boomers on.

Deluding yourself into thinking that millennials and zoomers can't also be just as fascist is 100% copium.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

Deluding yourself into thinking that millennials and zoomers can't also be just as fascist is 100% copium.

Oh I'm not suggesting that this election we are done with the fascists, the racists and the idiots. Unfortunately those are way to baked into human psychology.... We will always have those members of our society.

What I'm hoping is that enough people will say at this point in time, our daughters have bodily autonomy. Kids don't have to worry about food at school. We all have the freedom to choose to be who we want to be. That, January 6 was an isolated event spurred by the ramblings of a man who a large part of society is finally rejecting. And all of those J6ers, are traitors.

I'm suggesting that we want to elect officials that want to keep the department of education. Want to keep NOAA. We want to be members of the greater world.

We want to elect forward looking politicians.

Is that copium? Eh probably. Is that a naive way to look at modern politics? Probably.

But that doesn't mean we have to lose hope.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

They didn't even wait for a capable and genuinely talented leader to give up all control over the government to...

They just hand it to the first stupid clown who realizes he can just completely bullshit his way into office and ignore whatever rules he doesn't like.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Their plan basically got activated early, that's all. They had been trying to erode the structure of positive civic engagement since Newt Gingrich, and had been steadily developing this base of angry people for a couple decades. But before they quite got a majority together, this random asshole from reality tv shows up and hijacks the whole thing.

If you think back to the 2016 gop primary, though, they all really hated the guy. But once he had co-opted their movement and installed himself on top with a huge rebranding, they didn't really have a choice but to go along with it. The ratio of Never Trumpers like Liz Cheney to converted MAGAs like Vance is basically an indicator of the percentage that were willing to sell most of their values for this shot at seizing power. About 80% or so.

Only with about 50-75% of the gop base though, depending on region, that was the result of the plan hatching prematurely.