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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world. About 1C of total warming. Second chart: about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability. Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases. About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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Just Stop Oil activists jailed for throwing soup over Van Gogh’s Sunflowers (www.theguardian.com)
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This was the one soup-throwing which did any damage at all; in this case to the frame.

The penalty is appreciably worse than for minor violent attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you think the Civil Rights Movement succeeded because White Moderates "voted" in favor of it?

No, the Civil Rights Movement succeeded because the massive disruptions it caused made it clear that trying to preserve the white supremacist status quo would no longer be possible, and that the only alternative to negotiating concessions to the likes of MLK and the NAACP would be having to deal with the likes of Malcolm X instead.

Similarly, Just Stop Oil's path to victory has absolutely fuck-all to do with popular "approval" of their tactics, but everything to do with becoming so disruptive that it becomes worth it to capitulate to their demands to make the protests stop. Just Stop Oil is trying to be the Malcolm X of the climate movement. They don't want your approval, and they don't need your approval.

Spamming the false notion that approval matters all over the thread is nothing but the reactionary pearl-clutching of a concern troll.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you think the Civil Rights Movement succeeded because White Moderates "voted" in favor of it?

I hate to tell you this but that’s literally what happened.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Okay, let me be clearer: they didn't vote to "approve" of the protestors. They voted to accede to the protestors demands even though they fucking hated MLK, because they had no choice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you think the Civil Rights Movement succeeded because White Moderates "voted" in favor of it?

It would not have succeeded otherwise, since they were the ones in power.

Similarly, Just Stop Oil's path to victory has absolutely fuck-all to do with popular "approval" of their tactics, but everything to do with becoming so disruptive that it becomes worth it to capitulate to their demands to make the protests stop.

And look how well that's working out: https://web.sas.upenn.edu/pcssm/commentary/public-disapproval-of-disruptive-climate-change-protests/

Spamming the false notion that approval matters all over the thread is nothing but the reactionary pearl-clutching of a concern troll.

Sounds like somebody is butthurt that they realize they don't actually have a good defense other than nihilism. Refute my points, if you have a problem, but ad hominem attacks aren't a valid justification why my points are invalid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

What part of your study is measuring an irrelevant thing do you not fucking understand?