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I was shocked in the presidential debate that Harris gave staunch support for fracking. I was under the impression that democrats are against fracking, and remember people being critical of Fetterman for supporting it.

I also grew up in an area that was heavily impacted by the pollution from fracking. People who worked in the field were seen as failures of moral character who chose profits over the health of their children. How is it that both major parties are now in support of it? I feel like I must be missing a piece of the puzzle.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Without evidence I will say it's more likely that she has significant funding from the fracking industry and is under the thumb of rich executives. The difference is that they likely understand that supporting fracking could cost them the election, but they know that by not supporting it they lose a huge source of funding. They have weighed the costs, benefits and risks, and decided it's a risk worth taking.

A good solution is to get corporate money out of politics. There are narrow ways to achieve that, but a broad solution that fixes a lot of problems is to end corporate personhood. This organization has made steady progress toward that and I think is worth supporting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_to_Amend. Considered signing up for their email list.

Another solution is more wisely voting. People don't vote in primary elections, but they're more important than the general elections. They determine what the field of candidates looks like. Vote in primary elections. You don't necessarily want to vote in primary of the party you most align with though. An obvious example where you'd vote in a different party is if you live in a gerrymandered district. There's a near 100% chance the gerrymandered party candidate will win. It doesn't matter who the other candidates are. Vote for the least bad candidate in the other party. You won't get everything you want, but you'll get more than you would otherwise. It will also force the party to change.

That's not the only time you'd vote in a party you don't align best with. Maybe you're relatively happy with all of the candidates in a party, so why split hairs if you'd be ok with any of them? There are so many considerations that the only advice is to keep an open mind about party membership, evaluate where you make the most impact (not what looks the most like you) and vote in every damn election, primaries included.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (5 children)

LOL. She needs Pennsylvania. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (4 children)

That does sound better doesn't it? If I were a presidential candidate, I would definitely say "We support fracking because we need Pennsylvania" instead of "We support fracking because our campaign has accepted millions of dollars from the oil industry".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Any commentary I've heard is talking about Pennsylvania. It's critically important to a win, and fracking is critically important to voters there.

That said, can't it be both?

I'm sure both campaigns have accepted donations from loads of shady industries. Crypto is a salient example.

Money wins elections, and the race being as close as it is I don't care where the dems are getting their money from.

I find myself saying this a lot, but if the left was going to win a convincing victory, they would have some scope for more progressive policy. There isn't any room, and they don't have that mandate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It corporations weren't given the same rights as people, then we'd need to wonder less about what politicians' real motives were.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Corporations are legal entities, but they do not have the same rights as people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They do according to the US supreme court. The court ruled in Citizens United that restricting donations from corporations was a violation of corporations' first amendment rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

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