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Venom vs Poison (mander.xyz)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (9 children)

If I call a snake poisonous, or a frog venomous there is no knowledgeable person that will be confused about what I'm saying. The only people who bring this point up are people who love to be pedantic.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

You called?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Would you say the same thing about being envious and being jealous?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the way that language is commonly used, yes. People have been using it wrong for so long "jealous" has effectively become synonymous with "envious". Even if I dislike and disagree with it being used this way.

If someone is eating a donut and you say "I'm so jealous [of having the donut]" I'm fairly confident most everyone would understand you mean envious by definition but are using the word jealous to convey that meaning.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Here's my comment from the last time this came up (like a week ago):

"There's been no meaning shift. The "possessive" and "envious" uses of jealous both date from the 14th century in English, and both senses were present in the ancestors of these words all the way back to Greek."

It's always been synonymous with "envious", as far back as we can trace.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Ah, than there's no issue to begin with

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And nauseous vs. nauseated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Don't forget literally and figuratively

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Unless we're talking about eating the snake. That could cause some confusion.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You sound like the kind of person that thinks tomatoes are vegetables.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

How dare you!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Ah, but we can go even further beyond in pedantry. This distinction is only exclusive when we're talking about a living thing. When talking about the substances themselves, one is a subcategory of the other. A venomous snake is not poisonous, but a venomous venom is a poisonous poison.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually a lot of venom is perfectly edible so long as you don't have a stomach ulcer or cut in your mouth or something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

This is also true. Poisonous doesn't specifically mean "dangerous when eaten" when talking about the substance. It is an insanely broad category. It basically just means the substance is harmful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep, and even when talking about living things it's not a clear distinction.

In biology, poison is a substance that causes harm when an organism is exposed to it. Venom is a poison that enters the body through a sting or bite. In a bunch of medical fields though, poisons only apply to toxins that are ingested or absorbed through the skin and that definition sometimes carries across to zoology.

Venomous creatures are poisonous by most definitions because venom is a poison. But if the distinction is useful in a medical or zoological context then they're not.

tldr: The pedantry of eg. correcting someone who says a snake is poisonous is totally pointless and mostly wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

🤓 ahkschully venom is a poisonous toxin

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

This is the flip side of people trying to justify all kinds of obviously incorrect language by saying it's just the language evolving.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

A possibly important distinction is lost, though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Wait until you have to go out in the wilderness and eat snakes. Then you find a non-venomous snake with hypodermic poison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Maybe calling a Snake Poisonous

But if you tell me a Frog is venomous I'm certainly going to misunderstand and get away from it asap

Because funnily enough iirc there are actually venomous frogs that kill if they touch you