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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Best scenario for who?

I think the best scenario for everyone is that Trump loses, Dems win Congress control back, and Harris absolutely fucking nails this job and gets another term.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The best scenario is that the Republicans get destroyed so hard they stop being a party, and leftists take over, thus making democrats the right wing of mainstream politics while remaining approximately where they are on policy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

MAGA assholes overtook that party. It's no longer recognized as "Republican". Those assholes should be discharged with absolute hatred.

Fiscal conservatives haven't existed since before Reagan, so that's long dead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The best scenario is that the Republicans get destroyed so hard they stop being a party, and leftists take over,

I think it's already been proven that D will fight against leftists way harder than they fight against R. I'll never trust a Republican as long as I live after what the past 8 years have shown me lurks beneath the more polite moderate bigotry and racism they mostly adhered to in the past, but as much as I love the idea that somehow our politics moves left after this, the plethora of cries for Kamala to move to the "center" (or praising her for doing so) has me very skeptical and disheartened that any of the events of recent history or the imminent death knell of Trumpism is going to do anything better than slow our rightward march.

Democrats treat anyone at the Bernie level and beyond like they are some kind of albatross. I don't see that changing.

As with so many of my opinions about the presumed Harris presidency I want to be wrong, but all I see is Dems getting more conservative and R trying (probably successfully) to claim some "Well thank goodness we finally got rid of those jokers" high ground after Trump is gone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Best scenario probably results in the dissolution of the Republican party, and its key players in jail, dead, or otherwise removed from the political landscape.

But the roots of the problems there- the xenophobia, the tribalism, the (deeply ironic considering some of their slogans) supremacy of feelings over facts - that stuff isn't likely to go away. So even if the Republican party collapsed, there's still plenty of people ready to believe outsiders are bad, climate change isn't real, etc etc.

I don't really know how to fix that. Probably spend 100 years investing in education for all, removing lead and other toxins from the environment, and smashing apart anything that consolidates too much power (eg: Facebook, Sinclair media)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Probably spend 100 years investing in education for all, removing lead and other toxins from the environment, and smashing apart anything that consolidates too much power (eg: Facebook, Sinclair media)

Well, neither party is going to do those things, so we're pretty much fucked. (And that's not a both sides argument, it's just reality.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least there's been some anti trust movement lately! The Democratic party is much better about that than the Republican

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The Democratic party is much better about that than the Republican

They are better in every way honestly, but increasingly I'm concluding still not good enough.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Your scenario and mine would go hand in hand, we're just focusing on different things.

My point was that the Republican party would benefit from a significant change in direction back towards something more normal. And the country as a whole would be better off as well, because there aren't many upsides to teetering on the edge of a fascist dictatorship, and anything that moves us away from the precipice is a good thing.