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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

This topic touches a very soft spot in my heart as I've had to watch a cat die from being forced on a vegan diet. I've seen the results, and it is so very sad. Keep your goddamn morals out of other's lives. Especially an animal that has no say in the matter. Fuck vegans.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Whoah whoah whoah. Let's chill with the general fuck vegans statement. Most vegans are just people. Now the psycho vegans who try to make their cats eat vegan. Fuck those people. But broad statements like "fuck this group" tend to stick in people's heads and promote undeserved hate. "Fuck the Nazi's"? Yeah. "Fuck Germans"? No.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Don't even bother.

That person is so obviously full of shit, picking the most obvious and easiest strawman to beat on.

I am vegetarian and know many vegans.
None would even think about torturing our pets to death with food that is not edible for the specific species.

On the other hands I have heard multiple omnivores tell stories about how they "know" crazy vegans that would do shit like that.

There are some crazies (like in any big group of people) and I can't know if OP accidentally ran into one, but the way they generalize makes it clear to me that they are the one with issues, not every run of the mill vegan.

Vegans usually care a great deal about animals, including carnivorous animals. So fuck them right back for spewing their indiscriminate hatred.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

10+ years vegan here. You should not feed plants to a carnivore. Maybe in the future, but not today. I attended a PETA workshop about a healthy plant-based diet a couple years ago and everybody agreed on that. I met a lot of different vegans and not once have I heard this opinion.

Keep your goddamn morals out of other's lives. Especially an animal that has no say in the matter.

You are on to something here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You should not feed plants to a carnivore

You can feed plants to a carnivore, just don't expect it to be enough.

My dog, for example, loves carrots and cucumbers. They make great treats for him. But please don't substitute real meat food that he has evolved to eat with carrots and cucumbers

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Dogs are omnivores like pigs or humans. They can get everything their body needs from plants. Cats are carnivores, their digestive system is completely different, they are designed to eat raw meat.
We are not. If the meat is slightly too old, too warm, not well cooked we get super sick. Pigs eat a rotten squirel and be fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

.....

Pigs evolved to eat meat?

are you shitting me right now?

Google search and your comment say they're omnivores. But given your comment they're still more resilient to meat than us?

Can we even call ourselves omnivores at this point? We are so much worse omnivores compared to other omnivores, aren't we just herbivores with a tolerance to meat?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're probably right. I'd love to talk about that, but in my native language and face to face. This is exausting. :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

19:30, lucerne main station. you're from feddit.org, you surely speak german.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

7 Stunden mit dem Zug. Ich melde wenn ich mal in der Gegend bin. :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Aren't dogs some type of omnivores instead of carnivores?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

well, my dog certainly isn't

but yes, you're obviously right, they are generally seen as omnivore. Although they lean harder on the carnivore-side than the herbivore-side.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Not general omnivores - there's a specific type for that category. I'm no biologist though so ill have to look it up and get back to you. I could be wrong. Don't trust a stranger on the internet lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Wow. If PETA think you're nuts, you're definitely nuts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I attended a PETA workshop about a healthy plant-based diet a couple years ago and everybody agreed on that.

Yeah, PETA wants to be the only ones who kill housepets. If all the cats are dead from vegan diets, there won’t be any left for PETA to kidnap and euthanize.
/s but not really because PETA habitually steals pets and immediately euthanizes them before the owner can reclaim them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This was one incident a hundred years ago. Kinda strange, I have to admit. But do you know why PETA kills so many animals? And do you know that the whole story was published by the dairy industry?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

That did happen, but to call it habitual isn't fair.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Vegans could just get an animal that can be safely put on a vegan diet. They could walk into a vet or animal rescue and ask about vegan animal diets.

Worse case they could get a miniature pony.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And also: Shouldn't forcing an animal to live you for the lulz be a problem in general for vegans? The animal didn't choose to live in your cramped studio apartment just to comfort you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Animal ownership is, in fact, seen as unethical by some vegans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Sounds more reasonable to me than forcing unnatural diets onto animals that cannot consent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I see no difference between militant pro-lifers and militant vegans. You don’t get a say in how I choose to interpret the information presented to me. But if you want to teach me things I didn’t know before or hadn’t considered I’m happy to listen. Just don’t tell me my choices are morally reprehensible when they’re my choices

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not just your choices alone, you're ignoring something here: If the animal whose death you pay for every day could speak, it would object. If it could defend itself, it would fight against its death. It wants to go on living just like you. But you kill it anyway, against its will, because you can, because the animal is innocent and because you simply like it's taste.
In addition to this violence, animal agriculture is also causing great damage to our planet, so your personal choice affects the lifes of other people, living and yet to be born as well. I can hardly think of any parallels to the pro-lifers.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If the ~~animal~~feotus whose death you pay for every day could speak, it would object. If it could defend itself, it would fight against its death. It wants to go on living just like you. But you kill it anyway, against its will, because you can, because the ~~animal~~fetus is innocent

I can hardly think of any parallels to the pro-lifers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I took that last line to be sarcastic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Come on, now you are paying dumb! :)
A foetus is not alive yet. It's own it's way, but it can not survive on it's own, if it could talk it wouldn't, because it has not a functioning brain, yet. It doesn't suffer, yet. Plus there is it's host, the mother, who's body is hers to decide what to do.
Pigs, dogs, cows and fish, they are sentient beings who we share the planet with, different but equal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Pigs, dogs, cows and fish, they are sentient beings who we share the planet with, different but equal.

i would not say you are equal to a fish.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right and by even just existing as a human, you are making the world a worse place for every single other animal on the planet, yet you continue to keep living your life. You are currently benefiting from human slavery and suffering, so how much do you really care?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I do and I try. Buying beans instead of meat and oat milk for udder milk is a really easy thing to do on a personal level, if you look at the damage you avoid by doing so. Some things can be changed easily, some take efford, some can not be changed at all on a personal level. Buying second hand stuff is rather easy for me as well. Giving up on my car would take much more efford, I'm not ready yet. Getting out of the firm grip of all fossil destroyers is nearly impossible. So, let's start easy when you shop for groceries next time. :)