Fediverse vs Disinformation
Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.
Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.
What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.
By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.
Community rules
Same as instance rules, plus:
- No disinformation
- Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation
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Words do matter. I suspect you're not from the area and was sardonically calling you out for hyperbole that you're repeating on the internet.
I have no idea how you're not comparing those two, but trying to argue what you meant is pointless. It certainly looks like you're trivializing actual genocide by mentioning it at all in this context.
Whatever Dems in general are up to. I'm just saying I'm not interested in arguing about any of that, regardless of how much I agree with you or not.
I don't think we're going to convince each other on the issue over the internet, but IMO you have a marginally less black-and-white view of what happened than the Fall of Minneapolis people. If you insist on saying that the situation was black, then you're wrong. It wasn't white either, but that's just because your worldview can't handle the nuance. As one example of the nuance, yes journalists got arrested, but that was not with Walz's approval:
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-journalism-arrests-mn-state-wire-us-news-eadfe65c7ce593d04c0aef7eb0276e22
I'm not saying he was perfect, but I would go so far as to say that I bet you wouldn't have done better in his shoes.
I mean that I can't read your mind, and it doesn't enhance discussion for me to assume what you meant.
Wait, so you are comparing the two, contradicting your previous comment?
Feel free to argue about it with someone else. I have no interest in arguing about what Dems in general are doing, I'm answering specific claims about Walz.
Yes, this is exactly what you've done, due to black and white thinking.
You're confused about the situation. I don't think we're getting anywhere, so let's agree on "Fuck MPD". If you or anyone else is interested, Wikipedia has a pretty good list of police violence during the protests. It's long, but includes lots of incidents outside of the Twin Cities as well. It can be hard to tell who exactly is responsible for which actions, because a lot of reporting just says "police", without delineating between MPD vs the National Guard vs other forces. I don't like cops, but blaming Walz for the MPD doesn't make sense. Blame this weasel or this piece of shit.
Interestingly, the most objectionable thing that I remember (the "light 'em up" thing) may have been people unaffiliated with the police or National Guard:
Of course, you have to balance that against the very real possibility of them lying about it.
I was picking the most relevant bits, as otherwise conversation tends to explode in size exponentially.
EDIT: If you want to do a better job of representing hexbear to the wider fediverse, read this and self-crit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
"Gish gallops" are intended to bamboozle the uninformed audiences of spoken debates; you can't "Gish gallop" in an online text conversion. Stop carrying water for genocide enthusiasts.
You can and they did.
I hope you and the other commenter both someday achieve the maturity to look back on this conversation and be embarrassed. I further hope you'll move beyond embarrassment and realize that it's part of growing up to make mistakes like that.
No, it's literally impossible to Gish gallop with text -- readers take in texts at their own pace, they can re-read sections until they fully understand what authors are trying to express, they can stop reading texts and fact-check authors at any time, they can choose to stop reading texts whenever they feel confused or overwhelmed. Text-based debates (or conversations in this case) neutralize all the rhetorical tricks of the Gish gallop. Stop carrying water for genocide enthusiasts.
Thank you for your service.