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Nov 5th? Is he planning to blow up parliament? (slrpnk.net)

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Muslims certainly count, but the goal here wasn't to persecute existing US residents and citizens, but to limit Muslims coming here, and I chalk it up more to FUD surrounding terrorism than a genuine intolerance toward a specific minority. We absolutely have had intolerance in the US, but it doesn't usually look like travel bans, but internment camps (FDR during WW2) and the war on drugs (mostly Reagan, which largely targeted hippies and black people).

And it's important to note that the Muslim travel ban was blocked by the Supreme Court (links to those cases are in the first link you provided), so there absolutely is precedence there for preventing anything like this happening. The executive can still block based on origin country, but not based on religious affiliation.

As for the second link, I'll just leave this quote:

it removed 935,000 noncitizens from the country during Trump’s term in office, compared to 1,160,000 in the prior four years.

As in, Obama's executive branch deported more people than Trump did. I'm not saying this to imply Obama was somehow worse on immigration than Trump, but to show that Trump's impact on immigration was... limited.

[–] pelespirit 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And it’s important to note that the Muslim travel ban was blocked by the Supreme Court

Different supreme court, it's now Trump's and extremely corrupt.

but to show that Trump’s impact on immigration was… limited.

You're going to have to explain that a little better. The kids and cages thing especially.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 0 points 3 months ago

Different supreme court

Sure, but I would honestly be surprised if even this conservative supreme court overturned that precedent, because it was grounded in first amendment protections, which applies to everyone on American soil and to border control agencies evaluating visas.

kids and cages thing

I'm pretty sure that existed before Obama, but given the state of search engines these days, I don't know if I'm going to be able to find something about it. All Trump did here was revoke some of Obama's EOs, he didn't really change any of the laws, so that nonsense was likely legal and commonplace.

The proper solution here is to pass laws, not EOs, yet nobody seems interested in doing that. And that's a big reason I'm very disappointed in both parties right now, immigration is a major concern of mine (I want more, and the process should be easier), but neither party seems interested in actually solving any problems with it, they just pass some EOs to make it a little better or a little worse.