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No we don't, the wall does pretty much fuck all to stop illegal immigration. However, aside fom the fact its just her signing a bipartisan bill and not her own policy, there's an election going on and VP Harris needs all the votes she can get.The wall is just a shiney thing to distract some idiots into voting for her. When the alternative is a party that wants to "deport millions" I'll take throwing some money at a big stupid wall over the alternative.
She is not going to gain any votes from building a wall, literally anyone who wants a wall is going to vote for Trump.
Tailism is bad, mkay?
Its not only trump sycophants that think a wall will stop immigration. There are plenty of undecided voters with little to no understanding of immigration and the policy associated with it. Granted, a wall is a simple minded/uninformed persons idea of a solution to illegal immigration, but that's kinda the core populous of undecided voters isn't it. If you want the perfect socialist candidate to reform US politics I'm afraid you're gonna be waiting a long time, dont let perfect be the enemy of good. We have yo start somewhere and the immigration bill has a fair amount of real and effective reforms in it.
It's a fascist bill for a shit hole country.
This. Is. Tailism.
The goal isn't merely to win. The goal is to lead, and it is impossible to lead by chasing the electorate's tail via woefully inaccurate public opinion polling. We need a Party that is willing to envision something, rather than narrowly tailor its policies to some imaginary middle.
Whenever a party like that forms and has even the slightest chance of winning elections I will vote my ass off for them. In the mean time I'm gonna vote for the assholes that maintain the status quo rather than the fascist assholes that want to put people like you and me in gas chambers. I'm not happy about voting dem but I am happy to vote against the GOP any chance I get. I do always vote for the left most candidate I can in state and local races but on the national stage we unfortunately have only two shit choices, and one of them is far worse than the other.
You get what you vote for.
And that somewhere is state level electoral reform, replacing First Past The Post voting with a more representative electoral system.
One that gives voters the freedom to vote for who best represents them, secure in the knowledge their vote will still be counted if their preference didn't win.
Democrats say they support democracy, yet the vast majority of blue states still uses FPTP voting. Curious...
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