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Our car was stolen out of our driveway in Burlington. We knew where it was. Nothing was done. This is how institutions crumble (www.therecord.com)
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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I fully support citizens stepping in to fight crime if they are willing and able.

If you knew where your stolen property was, you should have automatic legal protection for whatever it takes to get it back.

It's crazy to have a taxpayer funded criminal and legal system that isn't working for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I 100% agree with this, but instead we have rulings like Khill.

Despite the government and courts discouraging it, I hope more citizens take matters into their own hands in ways that increase the actual risk to car thieves. Perhaps the government will start taking it seriously after that.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As long as you do get any rights to use violence, I absolutely agree.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't want violence to be the answer to anything, but if balanced and appropriate force is needed to safely retrieve your property, then you should be protected by law.

For example, if you're going to get your stolen bike back, you should be 100% legally protected if the dickwad who stole is needs to be restrained (for your safety), or if their backyard gate needs to be broken open.

And if the dickwad decides to use violence, you should be 100% protected for using self-defence.

The caveat, of course, is that you better be damn sure that someone is in possession of your property, and that appropriate force, if necessary, is used.

If it turns out that you violated someone's rights or broke into the wrong property, you should have to face consequences.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Canada's self defense laws are garbage; we have a duty to retreat, so if you go looking for your stolen property and have to defend yourself, you're getting in trouble for it.

But I do realize you were talking about what the laws should be, not what they are

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, self defense is about defending yourself, and not your stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, what they should be. And you are right, there's no protection for law abiding citizens who are the victims. All benefit goes to criminals, and our "10 strikes and we'll give you another chance" way of doing things is clearly not in favour for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

FTR, I don't think longer sentences against individual perpetrators is the solution. There are always more poor kids to pull into the gang.

The only way to successfully deal with violent gangs is actual good investigation; implicate the people in charge, and put them in jail instead of their patsies. In the USA they'd use RICO to do so if they wanted to, which they don't. Here in Canada, I'm not sure which law would be the most effective route, but it probably doesn't matter anyways