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Biden at the Democratic convention was unrecognisable from his disastrous debate
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Well, yeah, it was a rehearsed speech, read off a teleprompter, with a sympathetic crowd. Much different than a debate, where you have to speak off the cuff, within a time limit, and the crowd (if there is one) pledges to be non-partisan.
And, maybe Biden took Trump's advice and hopped himself up on pills. I wouldn't blame him for it, personally.
Exactly.
It's fucking shameful people want to act like Biden is still mentally capable.
His admin hid his mental decline for years and tried to shove him thru against voters wishes, because they might not get their jobs in the admin if Biden isn't president.
At least he didn't offer to do away with voting, call POWs and veterans names, be the adulterer in all 3 marriages, and generally doent understand democracy (much less democratic processes). When you measure the two against eachother, I'd think you might start actually giving a fuck
Yeah and just look at the type of people Biden's administration has compared to the complete clowns in Trump's administration.
His broader cabinet is really who is keeping the country going. Similarly with Trump, his cabinet is what did much of the damage to this country.
Are we still fighting this battle? Yeah Trump is a POS, we found that out decades ago. His political campaign started with Mexicans are rapists and grab them by the pussy and went downhill from there. We know. We watched 24 hour coverage of it for 8 years
Can we stop using that to shield other things from criticism? Biden isn't even the candidate anymore, it's ok if Biden doesn't win the election. It's ok to criticize "the good guys" when they do bad shit.
Biden was always a shit candidate which is why it's incredibly fortunate that we have a much better one now. Harris isn't the best possible choice but she's certainly the best one we've actually been given. Trump is almost literally the worst presidential candidate in the history of the US. Trump was the worst president in the history of the US. It might be possible to come up with someone worse than Trump (I'm certainly not going to challenge Republicans to do so they certainly would), but I'm having trouble thinking of one (maybe Elon Musk).
Just because the other option is literally the worst possible option doesn't mean we have to pretend that the better option is some kind of perfect saint. Everyone needs to go vote for Harris and for literally anyone but Republicans in this upcoming election, but we also aren't obligated to claim sun shines out of her ass and certainly not act like Biden whose not even running anymore doesn't have anything wrong with him.
Our country has turned into a gerontocracy and it's well past the point we should do something about that. We should be pushing for age limits on all elected positions. We have an age of retirement, we should enforce that on political (and maybe judicial) offices as well.
OMG, but what about Trump!!
Dumbass.
I see what you did there 👏
Biden isn't running anymore. You no longer need to pretend that anyone who says anything bad about him is a Trump supporter.
Bruh. If your only standard is "not as bad as republicans are right now"...
And republicans constantly get worse...
Dont you understand how trying our standards to them results in everyone's standards nosediving and the country burning in the wreckage?
Start thinking more than 2 weeks ahead, and you might be surprised that you agree we should have higher standards than not trump.
So, holding people to actual standards is a bad thing because Republicans are a lost cause? Is that what you're really saying?
No, I think he's arguing for the exact opposite. Just because Republicans are terrible doesn't mean Democrats are immune to criticism (not that you'd know it from this thread, apparently saying Biden is too old to hold office is the worst thing ever).
Oh, he knows.
I'm glad he's not running anymore. We stand a chance now. Still wish he would stop enabling genocide. If we live long enough in spite of the pitifully inadequate response to the climate crisis, centrists are gonna look like moral cowards in the documentaries. Yet again.
I honestly don't think his problem is his mind. His mind is sharp, but his body is betraying him. When he slips up and can't find the next word, or mixes up some names, I think it's just his mouth outpacing his brain. When you give him time to finish his thought, he shows he still understands well.
Note that I'm not trying to minimize this. While I understand where his issues are, I still l think he's better off quitting and letting new blood take over.
Contrast this with Trump, who can't stay on topic even with a teleprompter. His insistence that Harris "started out Indian, then turned Black" can be explained by the idea that he can't tell the difference between Harris and Nikki Haley. I think Trump is much further gone than Biden is. Neither should be running
I agree with you
For his age
But even if Biden is the sharpest 80 year old on the planet, that doesn't mean he's competent to be president.
Somewhere is the world's smartest 4 year old, I wouldn't want him flying a plane.
Crazy thought:
There's more than one person in America not qualified to be president...
Which is why Biden is no longer the presidential candidate. And trump can't stop shitting himself in fear from running against anyone besides Biden or Hillary.
I don't say I should play QB in the NFL because I'm in better shape than trump is. Biden isn't capable of being an effective president just because trump is less capable.
You shouldn't play in the NFL because you are too busy moving goalposts.
You posted
Then I posted about how he is mentally still there, but still shouldn't be President. Now it turns out you agree! Awesome.
No. You think he's "still there" because trump is worse...
By that logic even people with full blown dementia are "still there" because they're better than trump.
It's a ridiculous bar to set for "still there". And if our only bar is "better than trump" it essentially means there's no bar.
I conceded that if you're only comparing Biden to other people in their 80s, he doesn't seem bad either. But that's because there really aren't any 80 years who are "still there". The few who are most capable still, are the ones quickest to admit they're not the same as they were 40 or even 20 years ago
Anyone that's 80 and honestly believes age isn't effecting them, is no longer "still there".
That's just how the human brain works, which essentially is "not forever".