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EDIT: For clarification, I feel that the current situation on the ground in the war (vs. say a year ago) might indicate that an attack on Russia might not result in instant nuclear war, which is what prompted my question. I am well aware of the “instant nuclear Armageddon” opinion.

Serious question. I don’t need to be called stupid. I realize nuclear war is bad. Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Assuming no one nukes the world or that all air defenses work, it’d be a mess. There’s no force in human history that can stop NATO in a traditional war. (Maybe the Mongols because they’re always the exception.) But it’s very likely China, North Korea, Iran, and others would be much harder to conquer/occupy at the same time.

It would be widespread suffering in most of the world. The truth is that war is obsolete as a means of accomplishing 99% of political goals. Most of the world would descend into chaos and civil war. Food would be scarce and in times of scarcity, the drunkest, most violent people usually end up in charge. You’d have warlordism in the vast, vast majority of the world.

The natural state of humanity isn’t trade and property rights. It’s warlords offering protection in exchange for whatever they need. No one “wins” wars in 2024. Groups like ISIS would thrive, not law and order.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Easy way to kill a country: Disrupt the critical infrastructure at multiple points.
Just imagine how crippled we are without AWS, Azure, Cloudflare and Gcloud. Kill electricity, damage water supplies and destroy medication supply and the chaos is perfect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Without their heads, they're powerless!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

"Bullets! My only weakness!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's kinda sad to see Mongolia now. Not a lot going on, almost completely dependent on China.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That’s what they want you to think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As long as we're living in the past, let's revive the golden horde to deal with Russia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Hmmm. Ok, let’s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait I'm confused. Why would a NATO invasion of Russia destroy the rest of the world? Sure, Russia would be fukd. And if China tried to defend Russia for some insane reason, it would be one heck of a war. But not "entire world falls into anarchy and chaos" levels, that's absurd.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think the assumption is China would join in with defending Russia for fear that it would be next and alone. I’ll edit this and add Iran to the assumption that they don’t want to be next and alone either.

China clearing wants more resources and land. China has historical ambitions in Taiwan. China has historical grievances with Japan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Vote for me as your warlord plz!