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[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think it's mostly tribalism and fear.

For everyone, to some extent, belief is social. You tend to believe what your in-group believes. If your in-group is big on science and admitting fault and such, it's not so bad. But if your beliefs are... I'm too tired to be nice... Right wing dog shit ahistorical afactual nonsense.. then you're in a worse place as far as having beliefs that match reality goes.

Secondly, fear. Admitting climate change and pollution exist means admitting uncomfortable truths. It means admitting things need to change, that the future may be from, and you have some culpability in the current state. The way things are now is familiar and comforting. Most people are, frankly, cowards, and will go to great lengths to avoid this kind of fear. Especially if it involves them not being a completely faultless person.

The longer you go being a denialist, I imagine the harder it is to change. Admitting fault isn't something most people do well. Again, because they are on some fundamental level cowards. Many people are deeply uncomfortable with admitting they were wrong about anything. Admitting you were fooled by climate denialism is a blow to the ego. Can't have that. Better stick to the current stance. And if it happens that the in-group also believes that, great, that's comforting.

We should probably come up with a way to make right wingers (the most scared people of all) think that addressing climate change plays into their in-group. Convince them solar is AMERICAN INGENUITY and that coal is a Chinese plot to poison the white race, and maybe you'd make some surprising (and awful) allies.

That or, like, completely destroy the Republican party, spend fifty years hard deploying green technology, and wait for conservatives to defend it because that's what they know, now.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Get them to believe their stance is woke and I'm sure they'll change it pretty quick ๐Ÿ‘

Surely Flat Earthers could be convinced to change as they believe there's no atmosphere without a container. We should ask them to do an experiment where they put themselves in a closed container with a running car and ask them to sit inside and see what happens.

Best case scenario, they learn pollution = bad. Worst case scenario, they just sit in the car and remove themselves from the gene pool ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I think we're past denial and fear. It's fucking outside

Now what I think we have from former deniers is silence. They know they were wrong. They know they fucked up. They got real quiet

Aside from those bought and paid for by oil lobbies, I don't hear much. Denial isn't met with cheers anymore