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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Not a sneer, but something that'll inspire plenty of schadenfreude:

Brian Merchant: The artists fighting to save their jobs and their work from AI are gaining ground

Brian's done plenty of good sneers on AI, I'd recommend checking him out

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Can AI companies legally ingest copyrighted materials found on the internet to train their models, and use them to pump out commercial products that they then profit from? Or, as the tech companies claim, does generative AI output constitute fair use?

This is kind of the central issue to me honestly. I'm not a lawyer, just a (non-professional) artist, but it seems to me like "using artistic works without permission of the original creators in order to create commercial content that directly competes with and destroys the market for the original work" is extremely not fair use. In fact it's kind of a prototypically unfair use.

Meanwhile Midjourney and OpenAI are over here like "uhh, no copyright infringement intended!!!" as though "fair use" is a magic word you say that makes the thing you're doing suddenly okay. They don't seem to have very solid arguments justifying them other than "AI learns like a person!" (false) and "well google books did something that's not really the same at all that one time".

I dunno, I know that legally we don't know which way this is going to go, because the ai people presumably have very good lawyers, but something about the way everyone seems to frame this as "oh, both sides have good points! who will turn out to be right in the end!" really bugs me for some reason. Like, it seems to me that there's a notable asymmetry here!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, I know that legally we don’t know which way this is going to go, because the ai people presumably have very good lawyers

You're not wrong on the AI corps having good lawyers, but I suspect those lawyers don't have much to work with:

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the trial being a bloodbath in the artists' favour, and the resulting legal precedent being one which will likely kill generative AI as we know it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

God, that would be the dream, huh? Absolutely crossing my fingers it all shakes out this way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Stranger things have happened. But in either case, we should commit to supporting every effort. If one punch doesn't work take another. Death by a million cuts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Like, it seems to me that there’s a notable asymmetry here!

I think that's a great framing here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The link seems b0rked, do you have another one?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Fixed the link - thanks for catching it.