This one requires a bit of background.:
Hexbears keep opening the_dunk_tank posts about our mods and our instance in violation of their own comm rules. That compels me to go in them and try to correct the bad faith disinformation being peddled about us.
In one such thread one commenter made a reply to me ending it with "disengage", which was a clear indication they didn't want to engage in discussion any more, which I respected.
Note that there's no indication of how disengagement works in any sidebars. And even their own Code of Conduct, merely states:
So it appeared to me this is how it works.
Later in the thread, someone kept making bad faith replies and at some point I thought, "I'll just use this handy disengage rule to avoid being further provoked". So I did, at which point I was gleefully and summarily banned by the mod with the following comment, to which I couldn't respond anymore of course.
Now I knew already that plenty of hexbears had a grudge against me for rejecting "left unity", so they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of me, they finally found enough of a plausible gotcha and all they could think of for the reason was "liberal". Note that the first person "abusing the disengage rule" was never banned or affected in any way.
Ultimately this led me to being banned from hexbear itself, but that's a post for another day.
So what do you think? Am I "liberal "enough to deserve a ban for "abusing" an unwritten disengage rule. Power trippin' mod or nah?
Its amusing you bring up “protections”, meanwhile you’ve got mods who circumvent the word of their admins. Maybe if you don’t want your instance dragged through the mud, you should clean up your leadership?
I will say, the admin I dealt with there was reasonable. They at least took the time to understand what I was saying, while the rest of the instance intentionally misread my comment as pedophilic. Hell, one user (out of at least twenty) even called out the fact that the vast majority were intentionally misreading the comment. And when that admin decided “okay, look, just apologize for the misunderstanding and drop it” and I did?… the mod who originally banned me from one community “stepped in for admins” and banned me from the entire instance.
That’s some great protections.
I didn't abuse anything. As my screenshot show, your mod publicly posted and announced she was the one that took the mod action!
I also didn't make this community for this ban (it's been months), but rather it was triggered by the other ban I received which you can also find posted. I just felt this sort of thing also belonged here.
I also noticed you didn't address any of your own mods behaviour even though they're clearly in the wrong. You're more incensed about us shining light on her power tripping than the act itself.
Also I don't follow hexbear norms about "Moderator harassment". I don't consider speaking truth to hierarchical power to be abuse. And yes, that means that people are free to make posts about our own mod actions in his instance. We stand behind everything we do but also acknowledge we can do mistakes like humans.
I've told you before that your own dunk tank members routinely violates it's own rules. You misunderstand if you think I'm upset that you dunk on mods, specifically. I only call out hypocrisy. You can keep telling me that oh eventually you handle the reports of your own member breaking your rules and the aggrieved party jumps through your hoops (if they even can) but if you have a community that considers its own rules as something to ignore when funny, then I would shut it down as unsalvageable.
Likewise it's disgusting to equivocate criticizing mod actions as "bullying marginalized people off the platform". Nothing I said had anything to do with anything other than one's mod status and the fact that someone is marginalized doesn't exclude them for being criticized for hypocrisy.
I won't allow this community to end up like the dunk tank where people do bad faith interpretations in order to pile on. We have very clear rules of what and what form criticism takes and it's also focused on keeping the hierarchical power in check, including mine.
And if I find that the community members routinely bend the rules to the breaking point, and we can't handle it with mod actions , I'll shut it down myself.
What difference does it make once she admitted it? Anyway I wasn't aware that lemmy deanonymizes for admins tbh as I only use this account. I'll keep it in mind for the future.
The power abuse was the banning as I have clearly stated?
that's completely irrelevant to whether someone abuse mod powers.
"You were liberal in the defense of the meme"? Wtf does that even mean? If you're saying that your mods can just YOLO ban people based on vibes and then justify it by calling them "liberals" , I'd still call it power tripping.
Anyway I think I've been pretty clear that I think the mod is hypocritical and used their mod power because they have a grudge and you haven't said anything to dissuade me. And honestly it doesn't matter. She's your mod, not mine. Do what you want and I reserve the right top criticize them as your whole community criticizes us.
I already have told you it's ok to criticize us. I don't particularly mind the dunk tank posts about us which is why I don't particularly care to be your snitch. I care however about a community constantly spreading disinfo and then banning is us "liberals" for trying to defend ourselves. I only point out your hypocrisy in keeping a community around whose members routinely violate it's own rules with abandon.
This is because you consider this comm as alike dunk tank, which it isn't. This comm criticizes mods and admins, not random takes. But it just goes to showing how biased you are that you think we're secretly bigoted because I dare to call you hypocrites.
And yet, the latter is routinely on the menu. Your delayed mod actions once the party is over don't change that fact. The idea that you're not about bullying is rich when you literally have respected hexbears claiming that bullying randos is great praxis. Or do you you think that so much of lemmyverse has defederated from hexbear specifically due to bullying and brigades is just propaganda?
Please do point out my own hypocrisy. You said I don't allow criticism of me and my own mods. I do. Even in this comm. What else have you got?
I find that having a place for public criticism of power is healthy for a leftist spaces. I find that unchecked mods become incestuous and out of touch until they destroy their own spaces. But we don't have to agree.
I literally posted all that your coc says already in the op. It doesn't say anything about the word needing to be alone.
Don't fall for the usual Hexbear stuff where they pretend they're not just a bunch of trolls. And if you fart too loud, they'll somehow find transphobia in that.
I know, it's quite obvious they have weaponized trans issues and identity politics as a way to troll other instances. Just look how they went after the ml admins recently, and they are supposed to be best buds. It's like they've just got to have their weekly purge, or they don't feel right about the world lol.
Everything you just said about me was quoted completely out of context, but of course it would be. At least this time you can't go and remove my comments when I explain my position.
Context One of our users had been reported by a hexbear user for "homophobia" for what seemed to me at the time, a pretty innocuous statement. Here's what OP had written:
Having reviewed the comment thread after a report of homophobia, my stated position was as follows:
I’ll point out here that I at no point argued that it was ok to use the term “gay” as a pejorative, and neither did the user who was reported as being homophobic. It seemed to me the user was simply pointing out that the term is unfortunately in common use as a pejorative, especially in a high school situation, and is often applied to people anyone and everyone, regardless of whether they are gay or not. And looking at their post history, there was absolutely no indication they were homophobic in previous comments, and in fact it indicated the complete opposite. Where the evidence points to a bad-faith interpretation of a user’s comments (as in this example) then we will generally give the user the benefit of the doubt. Again, I don’t apologize for that approach. Serious accusations require substantive evidence, and I found no substance to this report.
In this particular example, the hexbear user chose to “disengage” from the conversation (a classic hit and run job), and so my comment was removed by a hexbear mod, removing any context from the discussion. So, I’m now apparently considered by some hexbear users to be “a homophic mod, hiding behind being gay”, in large part because any contextual information was immediately removed, and I was almost immediately perma-banned (subsequently changed to a temp-ban).
And ever since, I'm branded as homophobic gay man by hexbear trolls everywhere, because haters gotta hate I guess?
Edit: had extended quotes too far
Just because someone is marginalized doesn't make them immune to criticism nor does it mean that any criticism of them is oppressing their identify. This is ironic in the same thread when you then proceed to accuse one of our mods of the hiding behind their identify.
I also know how haphazardly hexbears accuse others of bigotry when they aren't cowered. Much like you threw your trans identities as a shield against criticism for power tripping and hypocrisy and then strongly implied we're transphobes due to the that or when's you accused the trans admin of blahaj of harboring transphobes and chasers.
We've already went through your arguments against unruffled and we already explain how you stretch what they said to arrive at these accusations. But I'm not going to rehash every grudge you have against our instance because you're salty for one post criticizing one mod.
It is telling that you have no arguments to make against what I posted (hypocrisy and powers abuse) in the except to try keep trying to stretch reality so that we're seen as bigots.