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there is another, far more dangerous... (lemmy.world)
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[–] Socsa 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assure you that I take pleasure in offending religious fruitcakes of all sorts.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Offensive: "christians believe that an imaginary flying bearded man in the sky speaks to them"

Bigoted: "Muslims are barbaric murderers that will kill you for showing a picture of their prophet"

You see the difference there?

[–] Socsa 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But christians are barbaric murderers who will kill you for not converting to Christianity. I am not sure which of us is more confused.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  • Only one of those groups is subject to violent marginalization in the western world on the basis of their belief
  • It is possible to be bigoted/prejudiced against multiple groups of people at the same time

I am quite sure it's you who is confused.

[–] Socsa 2 points 3 months ago

Not really seeing a ton of violence against Muslims or Christians where I am tbh.

[–] ayyy -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can you expand on this point? It’s not immediately clear what difference you are trying to highlight.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

One is mocking the belief of a group by portraying it as ridiculous, the other is a bigoted portrayal of a group as homicidal on the basis of their belief.

The meme isn't offensive toward 'religious fruitcakes' (the use of this word is kinda ironic but unrelated), it's actively bigoted and Islamophobic. Socsa was presumably defending the meme by saying they enjoy offending all religions and not just islam, and I was pointing out that the post wasn't simply offensive, it was bigoted.

Edit: responding here because this post was removed on my home instance for Islamophobia.

you’re still coming across to me as just saying “it’s never ok to criticize bad Islamic practices, it’s automatically bigotry.

It isn't a critique, it is portraying Muslims as fanatical murderers.

I assume you find the practice of brutally murdering people for the act of drawing a picture of a fictional character to be bad. How would you phrase a legitimate criticism of the practice without being bigoted?

In the same way that you would 'critique' Christianity, which justifies acts of terror such as bombing PFP clinics with Genesis 9:6, or Romans 13.

Extremists in Christianity are not seen as representative of the faith, but they are for Islam.

[–] ayyy 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m really, honestly trying to understand your perspective to the point of being weird and following you around in a comment section, but you’re still coming across to me as just saying “it’s never ok to criticize bad Islamic practices, it’s automatically bigotry.”

Let’s flip this on its head, maybe that will help. I assume you find the practice of brutally murdering people for the act of drawing a picture of a fictional character to be bad. How would you phrase a legitimate criticism of the practice without being bigoted?

[–] Socsa 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nah, bigoted would be saying "these people are inferior humans because they have stupid beliefs." Or perhaps the act of infantilizing people for use as an ideological cudgel.

What I am saying is that they are very normal, run of the mill humans, and that having stupid beliefs is pretty typical of the human condition, writ large.