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Authoritarian is a meaningless word that anti-communists love to use without thinking. Every state holds authority by virtue of having a monopoly on violence, period. The only question is whose interests the authority of the state is exercised in. There is also zero evidence that communist states are inefficient of stifle innovation. In fact, vast majority of meaningful innovation under capitalism happens in the public sector. Finally, every communist state has vastly improved living conditions for the majority of the people. I recommend actually learning a bit of history instead of regurgitating nonsense you've been indoctrinated into.
They ignored the point that capitalism uses violent oppression to suppress innovation. Kind of a main point of the video. The evidence that other ideological regimes cannot innovate is always implicitly that capitalists won by military might therefore the interlocutor is compelled to concede a flawed premise from the outset.
It's like smashing the sportsball net then saying you won the game. Especially if one were to come from a scientific perspective that is not a proper comparison of technological innovation when you ensure nobody else can even try.
Show us a world were different regimes compete scientific and technologically without resorting to violence against the others. We couldn't have it because capitalists sabotage your science experiment, take your equipment, then declare themselves the winner.
Even with the US pouring every gram of the value generated by its citizens labor into violence and global oppression of socialism
Even with the USSR spending all its money on its own citizens quality of life instead of enriching the bourgeois
The Americans still lost 19/20 space race milestones and called themselves the winner
If Reagan won 20 years earlier and torched American industry, science, and labor a little sooner we might have been posting this from the Jupiter orbital colony.
very much agree
@yogthos my dude you literally support an organisation that briefly toned down the capitalism in the place it governed before restoring it at gunpoint: you're in absolutely no position to be going around calling others anti-communist.
What organization would that be Jeremy?
@yogthos The Communist Party of China.
Thanks for confirming that you're a troll who has no clue what communism is. Bye.
@yogthos T.I.L. Communism is when you run a few experiments about how society without private property might work but then force all the participants back into capitalism at literal gunpoint.
When you don't know the difference between communism and socialism. What no theory does to a mf
@carl_marks_1312 that's literally the point I'm making to your friend but it's not sinking in.
That's because all you're doing is regurgitating nonsense, and everybody in this thread can see it.
At least do some basic reading of theory instead of bringing nothing new to the table. China is run by communists and the economic system is market socialist (or more accurately SWCC). And yes socialism isn't without contradictions. You haven't event answered my questions how you imagine communism to come about, coward.
Do you have a source on the "literal gunpoint" part? just wanna get some context for what you're talking about.
@Fidel_Cashflow they actually ran several experiments some more successful than others. Turns out people don't usually like having to share kitchens but love collective farming arrangements, even ones plagued with accusations of sabotage. I will have to hunt down the dates again but the re-privatisation of farming was not popular when it happened and there were several skirmishes between farmers and police over it.
When people respond, there are a few different forms the response comes in. By far the worst is one that tries to completely deny the original post by finding weird circumstances in which individual statements of the op aren't true and do so in a rude way and/or childishly patronising way.
That's you. Though, great that you like capitalisms public sector 😂.
Libs caring .ore about the tone then the content of what is being said. A classic duo
That's a miserable response and compete wrong. Bye
It's funny how holding nonsensical opinions always goes hand in hand with having poor reading comprehension. For example, nowhere did I say that I like capitalism's public sector. What I actually said that public sector is where meaningful innovation happens even under capitalism, which directly contradicts the claim you made. I guess posting nonsense online is a lot easier than educating yourself on the subject you're opining on. 😂
You took something you liked, from something you don't and said this is the part that makes your other thing great.
And then called me to educate myself.... again....
So, what you're saying is that you don't understand that public and private sector are two different things. Gotcha!
That's a most strange assumption you made. Why would I know such a basic thing? Gotcha? This is very strange. How old are you?
I didn't make any assumption your words speak for themselves. And old enough to recognize a troll when I see one. You ain't fooling anybody here bud.
I'm a troll? You are the one that thinks that by calling me childish names will me upset somehow. Like, I can get upset, but this, this is like some basic school level. Gotcha?
Its fine if you are a kid. I don't care. You can lie or tell the truth.
Seriously, read a book or something instead of spending your time making a clown of yourself in public.
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People using the term tankie call me a tankie.
So you believe in authoritarian state in the sense of stalin and putin?
I believe in authoritarian state in a sense of burger empire where incarceration rate per capita is higher than it was in USSR under Stalin.
I didn't ask that.
That's right you asked a loaded question thinking you were being clever.
I asked a sincere question, one you are not willing answer it seems.
We both know that's a lie.
You are not willing to make your stance on stalin and putin clear. You didn't want to say how old you are. You didnt even say you don't want to say. All you do is try these weird childish insults. It's boring and I have no time for that. Bye.
I'll take the bait. Stalin was a great leader. His firm grasp of Marxist economic theory and dialectical materialism helped him turn a backwards agrarian post-tsar Russia into a space-faring economic powerhouse in only a few decades, which is not an easy feat even if you aren't fighting for survival in a world war where fascists are kicking down your door and trying to eradicate you.
Putin is a piece of shit vulture squatting on the corpse of a once great nation, and I hope he fucking dies. Though I will say, his recent visits to the DPRK and Viet Nam were great and I hope he follows through on his promises of cooperation, it would be an immense economic boon to the Korean people. Hopefully someday we see a reunified, prosperous Korean peninsula. Very much a "broken clock" situation, imo.
My stance is very clear to anybody with basic reading comprehension and critical thinking capacity. Clearly that does not include you.