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EU Council has withdrawn the vote on Chat Control (stackdiary.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Moritz Körner, Member of the European Parliament, disclosed the decision on Twitter. Swedish publisher SVG said, “The question was removed at the last moment from Thursday’s ambassadorial meeting in Brussels”.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Source? In Germany at least that's not the case, it's mainly the conservatives who push for it. In the original vote, only the greens clearly opposed it. Later on, SPD (center-left) and FDP (liberal) changed course to also oppose it. Couldn't find results for other countries though, so I'm genuinely curious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The labels get confusing especially between countries, but left and right are normally viewed as being economic policy classifications, but you can have authoritarians on right and left and all need to be fought.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think that's accurate, there's a social axis from left to right too.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think of authoritarian as being up and down, and social and economic views as left and right. Check out the political compass if you haven't. It would be nice if it was 3D with economic and social policy being separated though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've seen the compass, but in real life conversation when people say left or right they don't exclusively mean economic views. For example, access to abortion or LGBT rights are generally seen as supported by the left and opposed by the right.

You're right it's reductive, and really there are many dimensions to political thought.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Exactly, and I try to point people to things like this to try to break that left vs right thought. I hope it helps someone.

I'm left on some issues, right on some, and disagree with both on others, and I think that's pretty common for most people. However, we only get two realistic options, and they split up issues and "force" you to pick which basket you prefer. I'm worried people will slowly adopt views from the basket they pick since the alternative is needing to pick the other basket.

Anyway, rant over. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I did found: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ All the red countries where in favor actually. Yellow were in research. Green is opposed.

here is the document itself: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-11316-2024-INIT/fr/pdf#page=4