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Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about "I can't use muh slurs, this is awful."

"The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media." /u/decidedlysticky23

/u/misshapensteed claims he isn't far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.

If they are too stupid to figure out we know they're lying, they're too stupid to figure out lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Socialism is not the same as what's going on here. Socialism means you believe in good for the common citizen, not denying reality and wishing death and destruction on peaceful people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minor correction, socialism has one definition and one definition only: worker ownership of the means of production

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I support that definition, but it's false, unconstructive and arrogant to declare it's the only one. It never has been. It's not even Marx's definition, which is undoubtedly an extremely influential one throughout history. This is the kind of dogmatism I'd expect from a tankie.

Socialism is a widespread global phenomenon with hundreds of variants and competing theories from a range of historical underpinnings. There never has been one definition, not even back in the 1800s.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I have to admit that I've been frustrated by the tankies during my short stay on lemmy.ml, I don't think that's a fair representation of their views.

Most I believe seem frustrated by a western world that seem entirely too content in accepting a narrative heavily biased in favor of laissez-faire capitalism and right wing narratives, to the extent that it has blinded them to the cruelty of regimes in China and Russia.

I think that in order to foster a fruitful discussion here and avoid the trenches that often form between differing political views on the web, trying first to understand and empathise with an opposing view is crucial. It's been a good heuristic for me at least, except in those cases where there is zero intention of even trying to understand each other (where just ignoring works well).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think it is a huge culture shock for redditors who are used to the idea of extremists being the alt right, and the ones that they are used to mainly associating with hate speech and being in agreement they are an unsavory group.

Particularly with a lot of redditors who joined lemmy just looking for a reddit alternative for their hobbies. Usually in reddit when you hear someone say they don't want politics the image that comes to mind is some alt right fascist who get hung up on how other people live their personal life and complain about not being able to use hate speech.

So encountering supposed liberals who are very reminiscent of the alt right is incredibly jarring. It's leading to some going wait...what?...