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This is a needlessly antagonistic reply. The dude you're replying to in no way said they aren't voting for Biden, they just said they'd appreciate seeing the data on why Biden isn't doing more to court progressives.
I'm voting for Biden and I'd love the same? That doesn't make me a shithead.
I appreciate you.
To be fair, Joe is 1000% safe in my state, so I'll likely vote 3rd party, but if you're in one of the states that actually matters then I fully support voting against Trump (for Biden). I'll also vote Democrat pretty much all the way down the rest of the ballot, which I'd argue is even more important than voting for Joe.
Protest votes should only be cast in a primary. I live in California and it is obviously going for Biden but I will still bit for Biden as I do not want to assume anything for such an important election.
You can't really vote for the Green party in a Democrat primary though. Just as an example.
I do agree the primaries are where these things are really decided and should be taken much more seriously. I'd argue that even more important than that are the elections for Party members. Turning the Party progressive would do more than turning the president progressive, and like 5 people vote in those elections... They are relatively easily winnable for progressives. But sadly most people don't even know how Party politics work.
I'd also point out that it's the Dems who are assuming progressives will vote for Biden instead of actually courting them. An awfully big assumption of them for such an important election wouldn't you say? Don't be so hard on yourself. If the Dems choose to go after the right instead of the left and it backfires... Again... That's on them
Yeah but you didn’t have the common decency to throw a Genocide Joe in there or mention something about our colonialistic ways. Obviously you’re only here to discuss things with reason and allow for the proper give-and-take that requires. Which is outrageous, and I won’t stand for it.
(But srs the metrics involved are sort of impossible to get, particularly this late in the cycle, and there’s a bunch of deep-diving involved to understand how they play out.)