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I've been doing this for some time now. Even if it's something that I consider important.

I just don't see the value in participating in a discussion that I have seen countless times already where the same points and arguments happen over and over again. One that I know wilI turn ugly. It's exhausting and I've decided to just opt-out.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Would you agree that a great deal of opposition to LGBTQ+, feminists, and minorities is similarly a reaction to a vocal minority from each of those groups that adopts a militant, hostile tone towards mainstream society and/or religion?

No. That's victim blaming and disgusting. Women, lgbtq+, and other minorities actually get persecuted in modern times, not just offended while they clutch pearls. If you remain ignorant of that, it's willful and you need to be a better person.

This is completely incorrect and reductive of the infinite variety of religions that exist. Even limited to just Christianity, most Christians would disagree with your assertion that people "deserve to be tortured eternally".

No, my dude, I went to Catholic school for many years, attended Baptist services for many years, and most Christians don't go around saying, "Maybe God got that whole hell thing wrong."

[–] ashenblood 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Women, lgbtq+, and other minorities actually get persecuted in modern times

As do religious people. The world is much larger than America and Western Europe my friend, people all around the world are literally killed for their religion on a daily basis.

Then you should be familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which states

To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

Nothing in there about torture. And that's just the most mainstream Christian branch, there are innumerable alternative interpretations, some of which deny the existence of hell entirely. Such as annihilationism which is most commonly associated with Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovahs Witnesses today, but has been present in varying forms throughout Christian history.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I hear hell isn't that bad /s. Catholics also say "Happy are the persecuted" so stfu. I can quote just as much BS as you can. And being persecuted isn't carte blanche to be a dick to others.

[–] ashenblood 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

being persecuted isn't carte blanche to be a dick to others.

That's precisely my point. When I called out the hostile and dickish behavior of some feminists, LGBTQ+, and minorities, your response was:

That's victim blaming and disgusting. Women, lgbtq+, and other minorities actually get persecuted in modern times, not just offended while they clutch pearls. If you remain ignorant of that, it's willful and you need to be a better person.

You can't have it both ways. Is it okay to act like a dick to other human beings if you belong to a "persecuted" group? If not, then why is it disgusting of me to point out such behavior?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What I see from the lgbtq+ community is: "Leave us alone," when their rights and existence are threatened and I think it's ok to defend those things.

What I see from the religious community is: "Let's threaten the rights and existence of the lgbtq+ community," though they never use such neutral language. I don't think it's ok to commit violence, directly or otherwise, against people because they have a different sexual orientation, gender, race, or creed. It's not a defensive reaction, it's an offensive preemptive attack.

So it's not equivalent. Stop pretending it is.

You're not here in good faith. You're not clever. You haven't set up a brilliant rhetorical trap; you've just shown how ignorant you willingly remain.

You're not worth any more of my time, so you're blocked. Don't expect anything further.

[–] ashenblood 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What you see is entirely subjective, and the fact that you don't seem to realize that your impression is subject to bias is concerning. It's not necessary for me to set up any kind of rhetorical trap because your position is inherently flawed.

I support LGBTQ people to defend their rights and existence, but that doesn't mean they get carte blanche to do whatever they want.