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submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

In this letter, Dijkstra talks about readability and maintainability in a time where those topics were rarely talked about (1968). This letter was one of the main causes why modern programmers don't have to trouble themselves with goto statements. Older languages like Java and C# still have a (discouraged) goto statement, because they (mindlessly) copied it from C, which (mindlessly) copied it from Assembly, but more modern languages like Swift and Kotlin don't even have a goto statement anymore.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

TIL that C# and Java have a goto statement.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Please don't link to medium articles. That page is terrible to visit.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Looks fine on Firefox on Android with uBlock Origin. 🤷‍♂️

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'm running exactly the same and it doesn't look fine on my end.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Huh. Maybe it's NoScript, then.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Could be. I'm getting forced to make an account and such. That's why I hate medium.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

To be fair, await is a bit more like comefrom, and it's been around for a few releases now.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

async/await was introduced in version 4.5, released 2012. More than a few releases at this point!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How is await like comefrom, any more than threading is like comefrom? The variable context is preserved and you have no control over what is executed before the await returns.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

What...? That is a terrible idea.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's scary as fuck, yeah, but, to be fair, it's only intended to be used by code generators, and it's quite awkward to use outside of them.

[-] atzanteol 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Java doesn't. Well, it's a reserved keyword but it's not implemented.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah but we got labels with continue and break, so we can pseudo goto.

[-] atzanteol 1 points 1 month ago

Following that logic if, else and while are also "pseudo goto" statements.

There's nothing wrong with conditional jumps - we couldn't program without them. The problem with goto specifically is that you can goto "anywhere".

this post was submitted on 19 May 2024
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