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[–] [email protected] 120 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He didn't even share them as far as I know, he just downloaded them. And the trial hadn't started yet when he committed suicide.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He didn't get the chance to share them because he was caught downloading them, and his download requests were getting blocked.

And to be clear, he wasn't downloading from the Internet as one might download a car, he went into a restricted networking closet and connected directly to the switch, leaving a computer sitting there sending access requests. He had to keep going back to it to check on the progress, which is when they caught him.

And the trial hadn't started yet when he committed suicide.

Yeah, I agree with the sentiment of the post, but this is just wildly misleading. He was not sentenced to anything, he committed suicide before the trial.

He was given a plea deal for 6 months that he rejected, in an effort to make the feds justify the ludicrous charges they were pressing. Had it gone to trial, he certainly wouldn't have been found not guilty, but it's unlikely many of those charges would have stuck. It's extremely unlikely he would actually have served 35 years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Downloading isn't a crime, is it?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He was being charged under the CFAA, a hacking criminal statute that prohibits unauthorized access to computer systems. It was controversially being stretched to cover Aaron's conduct that violated TOS by an ambitious prosecutor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Are TOS violations felonies now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, technically any TOS violation is one ambitious prosecutor away from a felony, thanks to the CFAA.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can I make my own TOS that corporations agree to when they endorse a check I pay a bill with?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You certainly can! And they will discard that check, charge you for failure to pay your bill, and refuse to negotiate with you in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I’m thinking they endorse those checks without reading every single detail on the check.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you want to read about how we got into this fucked up situation I'd recommend The Hacker Crackdown by Bruce Sterling (a notorious cyberpunk sf writer among other things) https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/101

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's uh... It makes sense if you don't think about it. The access was probably authorized, the use wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

There is a difference between illegal and unauthorized. If I go into a store that doesn't allow trying on the clothes before you buy and I try a shirt on, I haven't broken a law. It still isn't authorized. The store can throw me out, but I shouldn't be charged with shoplifting.

What Aaron was doing wasn't even unauthorized. He was just doing more of it than they liked. In the example above, it would be like bringing 20 (or 2000...) pieces of clothing to the change room when there's a 5 piece limit. Again, it shouldn't be illegal, and the site could have enforced account limits if that was their issue instead of relying on bandwidth limits doing the job for them.

Now, the only thing left to question is how he hooked up the computer doing the downloading. I don't know about the legality of that, but he was accused of illegally accessing the website, not the university network, so I'm guessing even the prosecutor who was trying to expand the scope of the DMCA law didn't see a way he could charge him with anything on that front.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

No, but he obviously felt that JSTOR could persuade a court to make it one. Poor kid.

[–] Imgonnatrythis 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You wouldn't download a car would you??

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Oh I absolutely would.