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Donald Trump will be arraigned in federal court today, Miami braces for protest

 

  • Court appearance takes place at 3 pm ET in Miami
  • Expected to plead not guilty to 37 counts
  • Will voluntarily turn himself in before that
  • Will be fingerprinted digitally
  • Mugshot will likely not made public
  • Will not be handcuffed

Former president Donald Trump will be arraigned in Miami federal court Tuesday to face 37 counts connected to his keeping hundreds of classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago estate in Palm Beach after leaving the White House.

Trump has his first appearance scheduled for 3 p.m. Tuesday at the Wilkie D. Ferguson Jr. U.S. Courthouse in downtown Miami. Federal agents and police, media and crowds of supporters and detractors are expected to fill the streets around the courthouse.

 


 

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Updates:

Times are Eastern Standard Time

 

12:52pm

Police motorcycle escort arriving at Doral.

https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita/status/1668659961801453569 Play

 


1:33pm

Trump Motorcade heading to Miami Courthouse

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1668674339820953602 Play

 


1:46pm

Trump posts to social media from motorcade

 


1:52pm

Trump arrives at Miami Courthouse

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1668678566731456512 Play

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1668678847191982080

 


2:14pm

Donald Trump formally arrested on federal charges, will appear before a judge shortly

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1668683739180703745 Play

 


3:00pm

  • Trump now in federal court

  • Special Counsel Jack Smith is in attendance

  • Trump pleads "not guilty" to all 37 federal charges


3:15pm

  • Trump has been released without any travel conditions, as he is reportedly not a flight risk per the judge.

  • The judge said that former President Trump could have no contact with any witnesses in the case


3:55pm

  • Trump motorcade leaves courthouse through crowded streets

  • Protesters, one wearing a prisoner costume, jump in front of Trump's motorcade as he leaves court

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1668710687915253760 Play

 


4:15pm

Trump makes a stop at Cafe Versailles after leaving courthouse

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1668715242019340288 Play

 


5:00pm

  • Trump departs Miami airport for New Jersey

  • will deliver speech at 8pm from Bedminster

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would love to see him in a regular prison like he deserves, but can a person with secret service protection even get anything worse than house arrest? I've been unable to find clarifying information on this.

What he deserves is to not have special treatment anymore, but who knows how it will happen

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would imagine convictions related to espionage would probably strip you of any secret service protection. People argue that it's a former president's right to have SS protection, but remember the SS hasn't always been about protecting anyone, the used to only be counterfeit currency police

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think at this stage removing it would be equivalent to tattooing "assassinate me" on his forehead.

Look I hate the guy too and he doesn't deserve his freedom, but there's a large number of people in this world who would love to merc a former POTUS regardless of who that POTUS is or what they did. And frankly Trump is more dangerous as a martyr than he is alive and alone on house arrest for the rest of his life.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, ideal solution is that the SS detail remains intact and he just goes to jail and the SS just deals with it. I've heard that solitary is a good way to protect inmates when a substantial number of other inmates want to do them harm. Just sayin'

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That was my thought too. Stick him in solitary for his “protection” with the secret service standing guard outside. He stays unharmed but still goes to prison.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Solitary confinement is inhumane and should be illegal.

Also we're kidding ourselves if we don't think he'll get put in the most safe, cushy prison imaginable (assuming he's charged)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He is charged. I assume you mean convicted?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, the food is inhumane. Gen pop is definitely inhumane. Then again I would be terrified to be spanked or harassed and love isolation lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

love isolation

Maybe you would, but for most people it's been proven to cause lasting damage

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah people who say shit like that have never been to jail or prison. Cause you wouldn't. Isolation is fantastic when you're home and you can lounge and play video games. Not so great in an empty 6 ft box.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You know he's a narcissist. A narcissist needs to be the center of attention. Putting him in solitary would be a fate worst than death. It would be his own personal hell. 😂

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think if it comes down to president going to jail the secret service benefit should be waived. It's not that hard to keep the protection, just don't commit crimes. We are living in a country that supposed to have one law that applies to everyone. Having people being treated differently, because of who they are is what Russia has.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having people treated differently to achieve equal outcomes is what we strive for. When it's shown that minorities are discriminated against in hiring, people suggest affirmative action to level the playing field. When somebody is asked to testify again dangerous people, they're put in witness protection to be afforded the same security as any average citizen.

When somebody carries a unique cultural status, such that they would surely be killed if left to their own devices, that person is given protection to ensure that they live, and aren't handed a death sentence without trial. That's not what Russia does. Really, one could argue that "not letting a political figure get assassinated" is the exact opposite of what Russia does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Presidents didn't have lifetime secret service protection, and if I recall VP ended as soon as the term ended.

You have example of accommodations related to work, or when somebody testifies against dangerous criminal. I don't recall we provide any assistance when somebody is going to jail to ensure equality. In fact the only thing we do makes things unequal.

Reality Winner was deemed a flight risk when she leaked a single document to newspaper. This guy was free to walk immediately after, didn't even have to pay a bail.

As for risk of assassination. The secret service is provided by the government. So is jail. The government makes sure that convicts don't escape but also controls who gets in. To protect inmate from others they can isolate them as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't just plop a former president into gen pop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How come? He is no longer a president. He also broke the law. It sounds like no laws should apply to him anymore.

Also, shouldn't we also provide Secret Service for people like Pelosi or Schiff? They weren't even indicted and there are people who want to murder them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How refreshing that this comment can be posted without immediately being taken down due to your quote.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

One might even say it's well regarded

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean his following doesn't have the best attention span they'll just move on to the next guy. Just hope seeing this mega-criminal actually punished will discourage others from attempting the same power grab but who knows...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thing is the next guy can't actually invigorate them because it's DeSantis. Or Ted Cruz, whom I suspect will actually end up with the nomination. DeSantis is a shitbag but he's entirely lacking in the crowd pleasing department. MAGA diehards are all that's left and they hate him already. Then there's Cruz, who will be a direct opposite to that brand - trying to sell himself as a moderate. Real hard to get people excited about that, and they've spent a decade or more undercutting that exact platform. Plus he's Ted Cruz. Dude is a total loser to every side.

The brand of ego maniac that creates a Trump isn't common enough for Republicans to just spin up a new one. We've watched them try time and again the last 8 years and it's laughable how badly it goes for them. I disdain Trump but I can recognize that aspect clearly. The guy was massively and mainstream popular for decades prior to his presidency across multiple, huge platforms. He was already a household name, no one had to ask who he was. That's what it took.

Republicans know it too, it's why they've still been backing him and not going on the direct offensive - yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

He'd be very safe in ADX Florence. No need for Secret Service there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

someone with presidential-level knowledge and no protection would be a prime target for abduction. trump would dump everything he knew at the first mention of torture, or maybe if he was just slipped a $20.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If a former president loses their protection detail, they're not walking around as a free man anymore.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

From what I can gather, the Former Presidents Act mandates lifetime protection for all former presidents unless they were removed from office under Article II. So the only current way for Trump to lose Secret Service protection would be for him to decline it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im now imagining Trump in the prison yard wearing an orange suit with suited up body guards. For real though, maybe they can just hire new security guards from the inmate population. Okay, for real for real, I have no clue what would actually happen lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Me neither, I've been wondering this for years now. What does a trump arrest look like? We will have to see one to know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I believe they can also decline protection if they so choose although that’s not really relevant to your point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or amendment of the act? Laws can and should change, that's how government grows

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't imagine something like that passing through US Congress at this point, though. It will 100% be seen as an "attack on Republicans" by Trump's allies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

An attempt to change the rules/laws to target a specific individual would rightly be seen as an attack on Trump/Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the law was changed in such a way that it only ever applied to a specific person sure, but changing laws after someone does something is kind of the way things work. Somebody does a thing, everyone goes "I can't believe they did that, there should be a law against it" and then a law gets passed or amended. Is that law targeting that specific person at that point? Kind of, in that the actions of that person prompted the change, but it would have been the same if a different person had done the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well sure, but that doesn’t fit the victim narrative these people so love, you see.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah was going to say targeting an individual is a probably a no no but targeting a criminal is something completely different should he be tried and found guilty.

[–] friek 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if they did, wouldn't that be ex post facto and not apply to TFG?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ex post facto just means you can't charge someone with a crime that wasn't a crime at the time they committed it. It doesn't mean that you can't change someone's benefits at will.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Congress could always change the law, though I doubt the current one would. I'm just saying that there's no current provision for revoking protection for a former president unless they were removed from office under Article II.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Secret Service being tasked with protection of president et al. is written into law, so it literally is their current right. The original purpose doesn't really matter.

But obviously it should be stripped away for treason etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It truly baffles me how so many people can still support him when the evidence is overwhelming. Love is blind I guess (pretty sure anybody protesting for him would give him a BJ is trump asked 🤷).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember that they only get their information from pro-Trump sources. Imagine if you didn't listen to anything but FOX News, OANN, Newsmax, and the like. All the "news sources" you listened to told you that this was a witch hunt and that anyone who disagreed was a traitor to this country.

You'd likely wind up shouting about Trump's innocence and how this was all political retribution.

They're wrong when they say this, of course, but the root cause is a refusal to listen to anyone who tells them a contrary position.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They would just have to listen to Trump. That is all it takes to figure out that he is a nut job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My proposal has been house arrest at Mar-A-Lago with a twist:

First of all, no visitors. That includes no members allowed to come stay at Mar-A-Lago. Not even Trump's family. Mar-A-Lago can refund any membership fees because Trump will be the only resident allowed besides Secret Service and security guards hired by the feds.

Secondly, Mar-A-Lago is taken over by the federal government. Trump could owe fines as well as prison time and this could help pay the US back. (This also means he can't charge the Secret Service to stay in his club.)

Third, Trump's movements are highly restricted. He's confined to a small guest bedroom (not his normal one) for most of the day. He's allowed out for meals and 1 hour of "exercise" a day. Obviously, smartphones/computers/social media are NOT allowed at all.

Finally, Mar-A-Lago gets a downgrade. Trump doesn't get a cushy bed, but whatever a standard prison bed would be. He doesn't get his normal meals, but whatever slop the prison food service cooks for him. I wouldn't expect them to make his stay imprisoned at Mar-A-Lago into 100% the same as a federal prison, but they could get it as close as possible. (Keep any luxury for the guards and Secret Service. They'll need to be dealing with Trump daily. They deserve some comfort.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This reminds me of the scene from Narcos where Escobar is sitting in his "prison" with no one around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Who knows what'll actually happen but they could always segregate him with an SS detail in prison.