https://lemy.lol/post/24667681 Firefox pwa isn't working
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Chrome simps unite!
People don't use Firefox because of trends, not because it's somehow inferior. Yeah, no one gives a shit about your extremely weird tab preferences
We don't use it on the computer we share because profiles work like crap, when I posted about it there were a couple of people saying "Yep, Chrome's implementation is much better" and a lot of people saying "Just use this extremely convoluted way of half fixing the issue you have with it"
You think the profile feature is a popular reason to use chrome? I have been using the Internet since mid 90s and I never once used it on any browser until last year. No issues with it on FF btw
It's weird for me that an application should have profiles for different user, shouldn't we use profiles on OS side, it's also less problematic in my mind
Depends, it's the computer in the common room that's never locked and it would be a pain in the ass to have to switch OS profile every time one of us wants to check something on the internet that requires access to our personal accounts and bookmarks. The web browser is the only thing that needs to be separated. I don't think it's a particularly rare situation that people in the same family share a computer but want separate browser profiles so it's in sync with their cellphone.
With Chrome we each have an icon in the taskbar and our instances are merged under our respective icon in the taskbar.
With Firefox "vanilla edition" we either need to access about:profile to switch or we can use a workaround to have separate icons in the taskbar but then because it's not Firefox's regular icon that we're using but a shortcut modified to open a specific profile, each shortcut creates a new icon in the taskbar when we click on it and that's where the instances merge, that means that if we both have instances opened we now have four Firefox icons in the taskbar and because of muscle memory we tend to click on the shortcut instead of the icon where our instance actually is so we end up opening a new instance instead of just opening the instance where we already have our tabs opened.
I'm the same boat except I was forced to use it because of work some time in the last 2 ish years.
You're successfully using profiles in Firefox you mean?
Well only started using a browser profile, specifically in Chrome, within the last year. I still don't use it for personal use, though. Or chrome for that matter.
Just pointing out my experience when mentioning something that could be improved and it fits the meme perfectly.
So in your mind this meme is talking shit because somehow extensions are objectively inferior? Extensions are great because not everyone has the same preferences. To me this meme doesn't at all criticize Firefox, as this is a valid choice faced with many features.
Sure, but when stuff clearly doesn't work in a logical way, you would expect devs to correct the program itself instead of relying on extensions.
I don't know of a case where anything is "relying on extensions". The extensions I use are almost all for something not everyone wants/needs. And I use a lot, which is a good thing imo. I can disable or replace extensions that no longer do what I want or I no longer need.
What's wrong with profiles in Firefox? I have 3 different Firefox profiles that I use, just for myself. (1 for general usage, 1 for banking, and one for a particular email account.) From my point of view, the profile system works fine. I don't know what else I'd even ask for to improve it.
And even still, I wouldn't expect most people would even want multiple Firefox accounts for a single computer login anyway; which is why the Firefox profile selector is disabled by default. (Tab-containers are a bit different, but related. I can certainly imagine a lot of people befit from those.)
You just had to read a couple more replies
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/11464729
I'm not really sure what you are asking for. From what I understand it sounds like you have multiple people using the same computer, and they all want their own Firefox profile open at the same time. You've got a shortcut for each profile; and it works... but you are unhappy with how the Windows taskbar looks when you have these multiple profiles open at once?
I feel like its a bit of a stretch to blame Firefox for what the Windows taskbar does while you have multiple people simultaneously trying to use the same web-browser. But sure, everyone has their own use-case. And if this isn't doing what you need, then it makes sense to look elsewhere.
I'm comparing how it's handled by Chrome vs Firefox
In Chrome you go to your profile, check a box to confirm that you want separate shortcuts, done and it's handled properly when merging multiple windows opened by the same user. Each icon is visually distinctive as well.
In Firefox there's no native solution to have separate icons for each profile, the way to do it is to create a shortcut to the .exe file and to edit the path so the shortcut opens Firefox with a specific profile selected. Because the new shortcut isn't the "regular one", the windows don't merge under the existing profiled icon in the taskbar, they instead add a separate icon in the taskbar where the windows merge, it means that you end up with two icons to open Firefox (one for each profile) and two icons where you actually find the windows currently opened. Add to that the fact that because it's just "regular shortcuts" under the hood, it ignores the custom icon you're using to differentiate between profiles (again, because it's not a native solution) when creating the new icon where the windows are merged. You end up with two profile icons and two default icons and the only way to know which one is yours is to go over it to see what windows are opened underneath. Three users with each one having their own profile? That's six icons in the taskbar if everyone has windows opened, three of them with the actual instances "in them", all three using the same icon and they're not in a specific order.
The (native) alternative AND official way to handle profiles in Firefox? Open about:profile every time you realize you're browsing under the wrong profile.
There's no real user-friendly solution. Downloading an extension to fix a UX issue is ridiculous, that's on the actual devs to make it native. Installing Firefox twice (one beta and one regular) is a waste of space and potentially exposes one of the two users to vulnerabilities from using a pre-release versions of the program.
When I mention that issue the reaction is always the same as yours "Don't see the issue with it" from people who haven't compared to the alternative or whose use case has nothing to do with two (or more) person using the same computer and only needing separate browser profiles and having no reason to need separate OS profiles.
I have shared a computer with people, but we definitely don't want our stuff open at the same time. I would find that confusing and a bit of a violation of privacy. So that leaves me (and most people I assume) just trying to imagine what it is that you are not happy with. And I honestly don't know what you are talking about when you say 'regular shortcut'. As far as I know, there is only one kind of shortcut in windows. It's a icon that runs a command of your choice, with an icon of your choice, placed in a location of your choice (any folder, any part of the start menu, or somewhere on the taskbar). So when you talk about shortcuts not being the regular one, I don't know what you mean.
But look, if you say it's bad for your use-case - I believe you. When I said that it was a stretch to blame Firefox, I didn't mean it was a non-issue. What I had in mind was that your primary complaint seems to be about what Windows is doing rather than what Firefox is doing. In any case, like I said before: if it isn't doing what you need then it makes sense to look elsewhere. Good luck to you.
Yeah, sharing a computer with my girlfriend of the last 7 years isn't much of a privacy issue as you can imagine and it's not confusing as long as the taskbar icons are distinct.
The shortcut in the taskbar when you pin a program isn't the same as a shortcut as you create it when you right click a file and create a shortcut. If you use a workaround to pin the second type of shortcut to your taskbar it doesn't behave the same way as the first type.
And again, that's using a workaround that I had to do some research to find, Mozilla's way would just be up access about:profile each time one of us wants to access our version of the browser.
Even for people who use multiple profiles but don't share their computer with anyone else, it's much simpler to have separate icons in the taskbar and the associated windows merged under their respective icons.
To me it becomes a Firefox issue when their competitor offers a much more logical way to deal with profiles.
To be fair you can have the browser with just features you want and nothing else that other people want that you don't need
At one point, Mozilla did make PWAs, but decided that the development was too difficult to maintain. So one person decides to just make an incredible complicated, well functioning workaround in their free time and share it with everyone.
Meanwhile, Chrome successfully implements and maintains PWAs, making it a killer feature. Many users who rely on web apps drop ff and become lifelong chrome users. Ff responds to future requests with, “well most of our users don't use PWAs anyway.”
example?