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I'm sure they are working on a youtube messaging app behind the scenes.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

We need better alternatives

Also YT premium is not a good solution as it does nothing for privacy

[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Video is nearly impossible to host in a sustainable way. The bandwidth usage is among the most expensive things you can host. The only way youโ€™re getting something better than YouTube is if itโ€™s tax funded somehow.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Public libraries should host the peoples internet. As a service, not to generate tax dollars, not to break even.

Jumping from platform to platform is just delaying the enshitification.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Nebula is very sustainable.

The 20mbit bandwidth of a 4k video might have been a lot 10 years ago, but it's child's play now.

[โ€“] falkerie71 27 points 6 months ago

Nebula works for now because it still has nowhere near the amount of videos being served and uploaded per minute than YouTube. Having to cache videos in servers all around the globe takes up significant cost too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

I also pay for Nebula.

I'm fine paying for a service, but I'm not going to pretend that it is a YouTube equivalent.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Interesting service but still bad for privacy

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's probably true, but economic sustainability is what makes privacy sustainability possible.

Youtube is such a mess because it has to fight so hard to make ads work, which is unsustainable.

Nebula makes its money through monthly fees and thus has no incentives to track users beyond providing a better service.

Nebula being essentially a creators' co-operative organization also helps with the sustainable governence side, too.

[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well I sure hope it isn't getting Tax funded

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why not? Nationalize it and treat it like the infrastructure it is. Take the ISPs, too, while you're at it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Will that end up with countries or territories ring-fencing things they fund for their own taxpayers?

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also YT premium is not a good solution as it does nothing for privacy

Neither is accessing any Google service in the first place, ReVanced or not.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Using third party clients does. Think invidious or piped with apps like Libretube

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Using third party clients does. Think invidious or piped with apps like Libretube

It requires a proxy (Piped acts as proxy). A 3rd party client in itself doesm not because the video files are still streamed off Google servers.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Still good for privacy

No, non-proxied clients don't do shit for privacy. Accessing the video streams directly off Google servers is enough to be tracked,

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

But there isn't any non-free code involved so all they have is your IP address at the time and what video you watched. That's it.

Not as great as a public proxy but it is way better than using the proprietary spyware

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Piped exists and has continued to work smoothly for me this whole time. There are many public instances but running your own is best

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Invidious and piped are under attack by YouTube. We need YouTube alternatives.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

We need better alternatives

We'd need a quantum leap in storage and bandwidth first - orders of magnitude better, if we want competing to be financially sane ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

Maybe when Google is (hopefully eventually) shattered into a million pieces by some US judge, YouTube could be splintered into several smaller companies, each with some portion of the infrastructure and channels/videos - thus forcing competition. Vaguely similar to the Bell divestiture.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

We need better alternatives

Do it and host a fediverse video platform: https://joinpeertube.org/