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What relation does your mental conception of what some nebulous "the left" did-or-did-not do have to the discussion we are having here in c/conservative about whether the use of dehumanizing terms to refer to human beings is laudable?
Further, is wishing that someone you perceive as having an immense power and direct negative impact on you and your community would lose that power—even via dying—really comparable to dehumanizing an entire class of people?
Yes. Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way, especially when compared to illegals.
Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.
Since you don't know the immigration policies where I am I can't comprehend how you are able to claim that assertion.
Again, kindly point to where I have used dehumanizing language to refer to trump here.
I don't believe I even personally wished his death when I pointed out hypothetical third parties you brought up potentially doing so was not comparable to striping a class of people of personhood through the language used to refer to them.
I can. If you’re not a US citizen then Trump policies on immigration didn’t impact you in a negative way.
I never said you. Keep up. I said the left. I remember watching the horrible comments they make as people die.
So generally speaking the left doesn’t agree with you and illegal is shorthand for illegal immigrant or criminal in most cases.
You don't think things US presidents do can effect other nations? Further you didn't state "immigration policies" when you said
I would argue trump has done me more personal harm by ruining my enjoyment of Home Alone 2 than any undocumented immigrant has done me by being undocumented.
Ah, but you VERY MUCH did say "you". 👇
Emphasis mine.
That doesn't even address what "the left" ostensibly doing something has to do with what standards someone who seemingly does not hold themself to be a member of that group should hold themself.
Sure. That’s why we are a super power. That doesn’t make wishing death acceptable.
You just figured out he was in it recently ?
Are you a conservative? Or are you on the left ?
It rhymed. Anyways, what group are you part of?
Some would argue it makes it more acceptable, prayers to Santa Muerte being the only way they have of effecting a person they can't vote out who has power over their life.
What makes you think the harm is recent?
Are you asking me to engage in identity politics? 🤨
Not at all but you use the language of the left and the logic of the left.
English? Puedo cambiar a un idioma diferente si lo deseas.
Або ваша проблема в тому, що я використовував латинський алфавіт?
如果你想让我们更“右”一点，我可以尝试一下普通话。
Words like no humans are illegal and all people matter except the ones like Trump.
It’s an illogical shit show.
I don't think I said those words. I asked someone if they disagreed all people were worthy of dignity and respect (they seemed to) and explained why some might find wishing for the death of someone who has power over them acceptable.
"No person is illegal." is a quote from ChokingHazard63, not from me.
I would question on what you base the antithesis you are seemingly arguing that people (and not actions) can be illegal.
I’m fine with the term illegal and I belief all people have value. I’m not a lefty who only thinks some people have value.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you (since you seem to agree to speak English) how you squared an adjective being used as a noun.
I further ask why you keep bringing up "lefties" (are they in the room with you right now?) and if you really believe the dehumanizing language you're defending embodies "Being excellent to eachother" as the sidebar of this place purports its ethos to be.
Do undocumented persons not have value?
Illegals have value and should be deported as quickly as possible.
Again, I'm not sure what that means?
You said upstream all people have value so I can't imagine that's a dehumanizing reference to people.
Your inability to comprehend a simple definition that you have been given is yours alone. Your warped views do not change the definition.
That it's a slur? If you want to admit you're slurring human we can be done here, but all of you fine people here have stringently maintained that is not what you are doing and I so wish to believe you.
Just because you look down on illegals and think the term is a slur does not mean anyone else does. Your feelings don't change the definition.
He finds the term dehumanizing. I do not. It defines they are illegals here. They have no right to be here to be abused and used as pawn by the democrats.
I have no issue with illegals. I have an issue with the democrats wanting a new group of slave labor.
The democrats are still mad we took their slaves away