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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

can you give an example?

i'm genuinely curious because outside of spiritualism type nonsense the information i've found in online and in-person american vegan communities has been pretty solid, and i'd like to know if i've been lied to.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah idk what this person is on about, the vast majority of vegans are completely regular people that just want to reduce their environmental impact, you wouldn't even know they were vegan unless you asked.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Not in the US, they're preachy af here

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How many vegans have you crossed paths with in your life?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dozens. That I know of. About 2/3 of them were the preachy type.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

That I know of

Do you see?

[–] explodicle 1 points 7 months ago

Fish don't know they're in water...

[–] dandroid -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I once was at a social gathering where two vegans were arguing about who was more vegan. It was exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm a level 5 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Easy. Use bright lighting to remove shadows, eat whatever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I'd be opening up a can of worms that I'm not sure I have the mental energy to organize, source, and talk about in length right now. I will say that if you've found a tolerant and science-accepting vegan group, that's super awesome and honestly not as common as it should be.

Here's a few veeeery summarized points:

  1. Humans are not made for veganism. It can be dangerous and make you very sick, so you need a lot of education on nutrition and a lot of non-natural dietary supplements to make it work. Because of this, forcing veganism on children is also considered child abuse by law in some countries. Either way, you should always talk to your doctor.
  2. Healthy veganism is a privileged diet. The logistics for growing, transporting, and preserving food for a vegan diet balanced enough to not get sick is a big deal, and everything gets expensive and out-of-reach for many. If veganism isn't an option for everyone, non-vegan practices will always be a thing. In which case, vegans shouldn't be snobs towards non-vegans.
  3. Grazing animals are actually very important to healthy soil and crops. And that means controlling where they graze. And at that point, you're going against what a lot of vegans stand for. And honestly, at that point just use the animals for meat, too.
  4. Vegans often condone practices that are unhealthy to humans or animals, and that kill off a lot of animals in order to sustain their agriculture. Not to mention the absolute need for pesticides to sustain large populations, and pesticides can kill off a lot of things on their own. Veganism is (usually) about not harming animals, but agriculture always kills a lot of animals; so one like myself will argue why many vegans are such snobs towards non-vegans, as if veganism is more "pure" than non-veganism
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
  1. The average vegan diet is safer/less deficient than the standard american diet. Most major diet orgs agree a well planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of human life
  2. The cheapest foods are vegan - grains, legumes, starches. and they get you the majority of the way to a balanced diet. It's not that hard or expensive to get from them to a 100% well rounded diet
  3. Just let the grazing animals live please. Live and let live, so long as it harms none do what you wish, etc. Buffalo/etc don't need humans to make them go to certain spots to graze
  4. most crops go towards feeding animals in animal agriculture. Less crop deaths is better, so if you actually want to reduce them you should go vegan and/or grow your own food

i agree that many vegans have wacky/woowoo/incorrect beliefs and it's a real shame, but a broken clock is right twice a day

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Animals eat animals

Humans are animals

er, nevermind