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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Surprising to hear. My physio has a Model 3 she bought 5 years ago. She loves it a great deal. She thinks it's a great commuter car.

She frustrated by how fast behind the tech in her new Tundra is in relation to the Model 3. She rarely needs to go to the Tesla dealer for anything as most updates are over the air.

She frustrated she needs to keep going back into the Toyota dealership for everything. She finally received her second key for the truck several months after she bought it as there was a shortage of chips. She needed to go to the dealer to have it programmed and was a little miffed about that too.

Despite the things Musk is doing now some of the things with Tesla they are doing I wish other makes were doing too especially the over the air updates. However those dealer visits are good for business I'm sure.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Over the air" updates mean the manufacturer (and possibly dealer) has a connection to your car on demand. That means:

  • Monitoring when and where you drive, how far and fast, etc
  • Remotely disabling features, or the vehicle itself
  • Remotely repossessing the vehicle
  • Accessing sensors like cameras to see around and possibly inside the car

It also means anyone who can figure it out also has a connection to your car on demand, and has the same powers.

Don't cheer for OTA updates.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They do track all of that stuff, and then they sell the data to your insurance company.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yep, unless you disable the radios. It can be a real bastard to find those. But OTA isn't possible without the radios, therefore OTA is part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Thirty seconds on Google shows that is not true. They don’t sell the data

Edit: the dude linked an article about GM as evidence lol. Tesla is terrible with data, but selling is not one of their many sins: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/tesla/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That article doesn’t mention Tesla lol. You’re bad at lying, hug?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Every manufacturer sells data.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

“Trust me bro, here’s an article about GM to prove my point.” Great argument dude. They do lots of sketchy stuff, but not sales:

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/tesla/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't they charge for most of those over the air updates, and require a subscription for basic features like navigation or satellite radio?

Personally I don't want a car with over the air updates, I want a car that hits the showroom floor with development complete, not needing updates. Releasing a car with the same business model as a AAA video game is ridiculous. These are 3 ton machines that we careen down the highway at 80 mph inside of. I want that shit finished, not a beta release. That's not even taking into account the fact that privacy is a nightmare when manufacturers have an always on connection to your car. But, all new cars are violating consumer trust with spying now, not just Teslas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I drive mostly older vehicles now. So the only spying that I allow is via my cellphone...