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Its not a binary choice and presenting it as such is manipulative. Those cops where there to do what?
If it was to protect the populous then they failed miserably, shooting wildly into the public many times.
If it was to save the girl then they failed completely when they murdered her.
If it was to show everyone they are in control and had the situation in hand then they failed spectacularly when they made the whole situation into chaos.
If it was to bring the father to justice for intending to kill his family then they failed tragically when they helped him out by killing his family for him.
The idea that no matter what the cops do its the accused fault is so ass backwards to anyone outside of the USA. These chuckle fucks made a bad situation much worse while showing off their massive incompetence. Hell what would have happen if they all did not show up for work that day?
I don't disagree. It was a total failure on their part, but a situation like that one really had a very slim chance of success.
Why did they attempt it then? I am sorry but poor choices in when to engage and how are still on the cops here.
All they had to do was not be so trigger happy, people need to be held responsible for the bullets that are coming out of the firearm in their hands.
From what I understand from the reporting, they may not have been aware if there was a danger or not.
She ran out wearing tactical gear, and they allegedly had reason to believe she may have been involved in the prior shooting(s).
Miscommunication? Likely.
Keep in mind that these are regular officers, not the SWAT or tactical unit. They have some very limited training for these situations, but can't be perfect in their execution, especially in an uncontrolled environment such as a madman with a gun who's in control of a moving vehicle.
Even in cases where a suspect is barricaded in a home and has someone hostage, there's a very real risk of harm to the victim. It's a miracle when nobody gets hurt, but noone can predict the outcome.
I can predict that a bunch of yahoos opening fire irresponsibly into a hostage situation is cartoon levels of stupid that will lead to outcomes that are "undesirable".
In this case it is compounded by the fact she was told to walk towards the cops and while doing so was killed. There is no feasible explanation on the actions of the cops, and since you replied to my question with further damnation by saying "they may not have been aware if there was a danger or not." we can clearly put this down as a boondoggle at best.
A more long term issue is the more and more of these crappy cop reactions to almost any situation happen and are shared, when does it become rational to open fire on cops preemptively? If you are just as likely to get killed by following directions then why not try and take a few with you?
This will not end well for anyone, and the more people make piss poor excuses for poor police behaviour the worse it will be.