this post was submitted on 31 Mar 2024
1246 points (97.7% liked)
Technology
59338 readers
5325 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each another!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
Approved Bots
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
And how is that going to help if you're the only one in the friends group that uses Matrix? Your messages still end up on discord and half the features won't work. What do you achieve compared to using a throwaway account?
You will be the only one at first.
If you use a thrrowaway, Discord still keeps their dominant position and have no competition, so they will keep enshitifying.
If you use a bridge, more of their accounts will be just bridging bots, real users will be on the alternative networks and they will be forced to compete.
So what features do these bridges support? Does voice chat work? Can I share screen through them? Can I upload attachments?
I would love to switch to something open source, but communication with other people usually has to have the same thing on both ends.
Discord won because it offered more than mumble/teamspeak and did more and better than skype at the time and looks like even to this day. It's even better than slack and teams when it comes to resource usage.
I'm pretty that they had valid reasons to have achieved such a dominant position in the market. But we can say the same about every other platform. Facebook, Reddit, Microsoft, Google... All of them were once the underdog who got a good product and leapfrogged the competition. The problem is what they did after to keep this position.
There is no way to get out of this cycle unless we start championing open source solutions, even if technically inferior at first.
The reason open source solutions never end up overtaking these stupid services that come out and then commit suicide every 7 years is because they're always technically inferior at first, and oftentimes the open source alternative doesn't even have anything remotely close to the paid service on the roadmap.
Maybe this is because of the issues with scaling up a dev team that's formerly just been driven entirely by people's free time, maybe it's just that the ball never gets rolling to begin with, and only people who are ideologically vested in the idea of open source over even their own efficacy of use are the only people who are going to use these alternatives, who knows. Probably, it's just that venture capital is usually willing to back the private, "presentable" company, over the open source guys, for pretty obvious reasons.
It's just short term interest vs. long term interest. In our current economic layout, the former wins pretty consistently. I'd even go so far as to say that the former wins pretty consistently with most kinds of human planning just generally.
I do not have a good solution to this problem.
Do you believe then that all the work from people here is pointless, and that people are just going to leave Lemmy for the next new shiny thing?
I worry that you may be right, but at the same time I can not avoid the "History repeats itself. First as tragedy then as farce":
It frustrates me to no end to think that the average Lemmy user is carrying a very expensive iPhone, yet can not be bothered to contribute even $1/month to the developers. It honestly makes me think sometimes that they deserve all the shit that keeps happening. It's not for lack of warning.
I mean partially, yeah. I dunno.
I think in total I kinda just don't see the migration, for these things, as a big issue. Any sort of, more crystalized or important knowledge, is usually saved on some ancient forum somewhere, or a book, or the internet archive, something to that effect, so realistically we're not losing a whole lot with every migration, except for the kind of, ambient fomo and depression that people tend to have whenever they experience the death of anything, even a kind of shitty internet platform. The death of possibility that it represents.
I mean it's maybe kind of annoying, right, to see this happen repetitively, and for it to be the case that we can never have any "real progress" with any of these applications, right. Everything has to be conceived of as a totally new and independent thing, and nobody can every build on anyone else's work. At the same time, people naturally leap to whatever the next best thing is when these services evaporate, so we usually don't end up losing all that much in terms of technological progression. I'm also not too sure that you can really improve on Discord that much. It already has all your different chatting and video streaming needs, there's not much more you could do without just kinda, turning it into a totally different kind of thing.
I think maybe a more pressing issue, or annoyance, for me, is those actual monopolies which crop up. Shit like youtube, that's probably a bigger problem. They have the total power of a video sharing platform, if anything gets erased from there, it's probably just straight gone, because everyone kind of assumes that the servers are just going to remain free and freely accessible forever. I guess you could always just save your videos, though, but maybe that presents some kind of unsung cost of like, ease of accessibility, right. There's not a great way to sift through all of the millions of hours of video content uploaded every second anyways, so I don't know if it ends up mattering much, most of the time.
In sum I also think it's kind of, misguided to blame the consumer for these sorts of behaviors. They're that way because they've been propagandized too, because their friends all migrate and they are powerless to stop it, etc. The real things at work here are just like, the arbitrary forces of venture capital and the market, and the market regulation that surrounds all of this.
So far, the only reasons I've seen people switch from 1 communication app to another, be it for gaming or just day-to-day messaging is either better features/better quality or what they've been using so far turned into shit. And once enough people switch to the new better thing, the rest will follow.
Unfortunately the open source alternative cannot offer either, it's why they rarely succed.
When whatsapp first started to gain traction it was vastly superior to sms, mms was never really a big thing here.
Discord became king because Microsoft bought skype and made it shit and teamspeak/mumble were not as conveniant.
So next open source thing will have to be at least as good as discord and discord has to become really shitty before anything changes. So far, discord has been anything but flawless, but ads are the first step of the enshitification. People will likely switch to web client + adblock. And when discord decides to block that, that's when the first massive wave of people will switch to the new big thing and probably never look back.
I am hopeful the next thing will be something open, I am very much into that, I always try to look for alternatives, but average person doesn't care, so I wouldn't hold my breath.