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[โ€“] captain_aggravated 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I ended up kind of creating my own cursive "font" because I thought several of the choices for letter shapes were, in graphological parlance, "Just completely fucking retarded." Like the lowercase S being a slightly pointy loop. I devised my own capital T as well, and jettisoned that Q that looks like a 2.

I wrote in completely illegible cursive until about halfway through college when I started using a laptop for all assignments. On a decent keyboard I can peak at 104 wpm. On the very rare occasion I do have to pick up a pen and write with it anymore, I'm usually jotting down measurements or something, or slopping out some squiggles that will just have to suffice as my signature.

I don't see teaching cursive to children as a particularly valuable usage of time, at this point it might be worth teaching them to read it, but proficiency in writing it is not valuable.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Hard disagree. I am an ecologist and paper notes are very common just for reasons of practicality, taking notes on a tablet or field computer can be really difficult with glare, managing power, overheating, rain. The faster and more legibley you can write, the better you'll be on the job. I doubt that ecology is the only field where this is true. Not everyone has a dang office job.

[โ€“] captain_aggravated 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

handwriting proficiency should be taught. cursive can fuck off.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But cursive is more useful and practical than writing print. If you're taking notes, you want to take them quickly and still be legible. Cursive is a system for this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you want legible from me, I'll be continuing to use print.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[โ€“] captain_aggravated 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would argue shorthand is probably more valuable than cursive for this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with that! Maybe we should start learning shorthand.

I do think it is valuable to read cursive though, for historical study. I joined an informal LGBT history study group and we got to spend a lot of time reading love letters people sent each other. Not everything is transcribed, so I'm glad I was taught to read cursive.

You could argue that only historians should learn it, but I think that historical research is something that should be widely accessible, and also it's easier for young kids to learn language skills. I don't think there is any harm in teaching cursive.

[โ€“] captain_aggravated 3 points 7 months ago

Reading cursive should be a thing, I think with kids being so digital centric you could probably just teach it to them as a font? It is, after all, supposed to be English text written in the Latin alphabet, just all joined up.

[โ€“] AlligatorBlizzard 3 points 7 months ago

I think kids should be introduced to it, so they recognize what it is if they find one of great grandma's letters, for instance (my grandmother wrote the grocery lists in cursive so I became proficient in reading it), and it's a good way of helping kids practice fine motor skills without doing as many of those godawful penmanship exercises. But I think we need to expand art education for kids and I think cursive and calligraphy should be taught in art classes moreso than in their regular classrooms.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I just modified v to be pointy because otherwise I couldn't make it distinguishable from u.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

In my experience everyone has their own brand of cursive anyway. And there's already a lot of variation in the "official" ones depending where you're from, so it doesn't really matter as long as it's close enough to be understandable.