It's that anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness to simply disregard all their points without actually engaging with their arguments and how that's stupid. The "doc" is portrayed in a negative light

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness

It doesn't. People are making shit up. From Wikipedia:

The fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-TR) (now replaced by DSM-5) states that a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD. These symptoms include:

Often loses temper

Is often touchy or easily annoyed

Is often angry and resentful

Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults

Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules

Often deliberately annoys others

Often blames others for their mistakes or misbehavior

Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past six months

These behaviors are mostly directed towards an authority figure such as a teacher or a parent. Although these behaviors can be typical among siblings, they must be observed with individuals other than siblings for an ODD diagnosis. Children with ODD can be verbally aggressive. However, they do not display physical aggressiveness, a behavior observed in conduct disorder. Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond a normal child's age, gender and culture to fit the diagnosis. For children under five years of age, they must occur on most days over a period of six months. For children over five years of age, they must occur at least once a week for at least six months. If symptoms are confined to only one setting, most commonly home, it is considered mild in severity. If it is observed in two settings, it is characterized as moderate, and if the symptoms are observed in three or more settings, it is considered severe.

Is this how you express your anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian stances?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

so if you're regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you're ok still... but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying "authorities" in any way) you're an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that's really convenient.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're deliberately oversimplifying, decontextualising and exaggerating the symptoms, and it is unlikely your spitefulness and anger extend beyond an occasional comment that you write online. It seems as if you really really want to be perceived as nonconformist and against the system, which is colloquially known as "being an edgelord", and that doesn't count as a disorder.

insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs

Again, making shit up. Show me where the article mentions locking up the person.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No, you're just making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them. How about you do better and not be such a blatant bootlicker? This kind of shit reminds me of business insider articles trying to convince poor people that poverty and climate apocalypse aren't causing a wave of mental illness, or that the solution to it is just more drugs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them

I'm not making excuses, because I don't intend to excuse behaviour that at the very least isn't typical, and more likely is just made up. As it is, you've provided no reasonable proof the situation in OP picture is typical or even real in any situation whatsoever (a cursory check of what the diagnosis is about suggests the situation isn't realistic), and you deliberately misinterpreted the diagnosis and exaggerated your "symptoms".

What I'm criticising here is a misinterpretation of a particular psychological diagnosis. Nowhere did I say "everything is fine", nowhere did I say psychological issues in general are merely individual issues. That's a whole other story. If I claimed Donald Trump rapes dead babies, and someone came and said that's ridiculous and there's no proof, is that person a Trump bootlicker? Fuck no. So why is criticism of this (as far as I can see for now) made-up idea that ODD diagnosis is abused this way "bootlicking"?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I could count under at least 4 of these and I consider myself an anti-authoritarian but otherwise normal, well-rounded person.

I do get easily annoyed by some people. I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics. And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically), which I guess is a 2-for-1 there.

[–] funkless_eck 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

if you are behaving this way on at least 75 days out of 150 in a way that impacts and impedes your ability to function, having a romantic or friendship-based relationship and work a job - yes, you might have a mental illness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"A mental illness" or ODD? Shifting goalposts much?

[–] funkless_eck 1 points 8 months ago

ODD is a mental illness if we're accepting that the DSM is a diagnostic tool.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I do get easily annoyed by some people

Right, by some people. Now, if this were a real situation in a clinic and not a persecution fantasy, chances are the therapist would inquire how and why those people cause annoyance exactly. Basically: is your reaction reasonable (annoyed by someone causing you actual harm, non-trivial discomfort, etc.) or unreasonable (annoyed by trivial things such as someone's clothes, skin colour if you're a racist, etc.)?

I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics.

Do you take out that anger and resentment upon other people, in ways which are harmful to them? Is your daily life hampered by those emotions? If not, it probably doesn't count as a symptom.

And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically)

It is not abnormal to react negatively to ridiculous tasks.

I don't believe that psychologists would count these things as actual symptoms. Probably you're fine and healthy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD.

Is often touchy or easily annoyed

Is often angry and resentful

Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults

Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules

If I were imprisoned against my will I would certainly be exhibiting these 4 "symptoms." Does that mean I have oppositional defiant disorder?

The problem with this is that it can too easily classify behavior that is appropriate to the situation as a disorder. The distinction that a professional might make is that these symptoms are only considered signs of a disorder if they are not appropriate to the situation, and that is a value judgement that cannot be objectively determined. This makes the diagnosis heavily subject to the values and beliefs of the person making it. In my opinion, we shouldn't he classifying these types of situational behaviors as a disorder because the cause is almost always external/environmental, which a psychiatrist is often ill-equipped to address.