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5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah. Funny how that works!

5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Thanks much for the detailed response ... I didn't realize the purpose of this community. Somebody had suggested I post the draft here, which I did, and now I realize that their suggestion was a snarky trap that I fell for 🤣. Oh well, joke's on them (as well as me), I got good feedback on the draft here.

Agreed that there are structural problems with AP; I wrote about this in And it's about the protocol, too. But even though software improvements can help, the underlying problem's cultural.

I intentionally didn't phrase it in terms of allyship (in fact I'm pretty sure the word "ally" doesn't even appear in the article) ... still, I don't think white folks (me included) can stop being white, nor should we -- we are who we are, and that's okay. I do think we (again including me) can make more of an effort to deal with our default attitudes and behaviors, and try to use our privilege for good.

5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Thanks for pointing that out! But, I got enough pushback on the wording of point 2 that I changed it to just "Think before you post"

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5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

Here's the list:

  1. Listen more to more Black people – and amplify their voices
  2. Post less – and think before you post
  3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
  4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects
  5. Approach it intersectionally

The full article goes into detail, and also has links to anti-racism resources and appendices with a list of common mistakes to avoid and blocklist resources for moderators.

Thanks to everybody who gave feedback on earlier drafts!

People say Mastodon migration is better than Lemmy's, but their documentation says "Mastodon currently does not support importing posts or media due to technical limitations", am I missing something? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's a bit more on Mastodon then Lemmy - https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#migration has the details. But not being able to move posts is a big limitation. And even the functionality that's implemented has some unpleasant surprises -- see https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration

Examples of racism on Lemmy? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You asked me to help you find the examples and I said no and suggested a technique that might work. It's an answer, it's just one you didn't like. When you told me that you weren't able to apply the technique successfully, I said

Oh well. It sounds like you’ve got some work to do. The revised version of the article has some antiracism resources, so stay tuned.

Examples of racism on Lemmy? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, I answered your question, you just didn't like my answer.

If you can’t find them, then (like many people) that’s a sign you’re used to an environment where anti-Blackness is normalized. So, imagine a Black person reading this thread who’s been targeted by racism on the fediverse. What comments would they think are dismissive of Black people?

It doesn't make any assumptions about your ethnicity. If you are in fact a Black person who's been targeted by racism on the fediverse but isn't seeing it in that thread, it's still a useful suggestion to step outside yourself and try to reading it as somebody else would,

4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago

Oh well. It sounds like you've got some work to do. The revised version of the article has some antiracism resources, so stay tuned.

5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people in c/[email protected]
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5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (privacy.thenexus.today)
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Here's the list:

  1. Listen more to more Black people – and amplify their voices
  2. Think before you post
  3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
  4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects
  5. Approach it intersectionally

The full article goes into detail, and also has links to anti-racism resources and appendices with a list of common mistakes to avoid and blocklist resources for moderators.

Thanks to everybody who gave feedback on earlier drafts!

(Update, 8/19: I changed the wording on #2 to match changes in the underlying article)

4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yep, very similar dynamics.

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Ah, Lemmy: Racism and Denial in the Threadiverse (DRAFT) (privacy.thenexus.today)
Examples of racism on Lemmy? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The revised version of 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) will have (or maybe link off to) a list of examples on Lemmy -- that's why I started this thread. But, you don't have to wait! There are multiple examples in this thread and the thread I linked to in the OP.

And yes, there are tools. I'll have more links in the revised version, but one good place to start is Ijeoma Oluo's Welcome To The Anti-Racism Movement — Here’s What You’ve Missed

Examples of racism on Lemmy? in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I answered. And there are also some good examples of anti-Blackness in the comments here.

4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) in c/[email protected]
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are plenty of examples in this thread and the crossposts, and more discussion in https://lemmy.world/post/18536867

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Examples of racism on Lemmy? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
 

In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Then again, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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Examples of racism on Lemmy? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
 

In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Of course, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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Examples of racism on Lemmy? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Then again, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

Feedback welcome! Here's the TL;DR list

  1. Listen more to more Black people
  2. Post less – and think before you post
  3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
  4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects

Other suggestions?

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4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/15011909

Feedback welcome! Here's the TL;DR list

  1. Listen more to more Black people
  2. Post less – and think before you post
  3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
  4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects

Other suggestions?

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4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

Feedback welcome! Here's the TL;DR list

  1. Listen more to more Black people
  2. Post less – and think before you post
  3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
  4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects

Other suggestions?

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Fork it! It's time for a Mastodon hard fork (privacy.thenexus.today)
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It's time for a hard fork of Mastodon (DRAFT) (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

This is a work in progress, so feedback very welcome! And, if please check out the Mastodon poll about interest in a fork

Contents:

  • Intro
  • There's a lot of low-hanging fruit
  • Safety is an especially good area to focus on
  • It's not as easy as it sounds ...
  • But it's not like it defies the laws of physics!
  • What about funding?
  • Make sure there are funded leadership and project roles for Black, Indigenous, Muslim, trans, queer, and disabled people as well as others who have been marginalized in Mastodon's development history
  • Let a thousand forks bloom!
  • Clever conclusion! tbd

As the tbd in that last bullet implies, the conclusion isn't written yet. Like I said it really is a work in progress!

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Eight tips about consent for fediverse developers (privacy.thenexus.today)
 

If you're a developer working on a fediverse app or service and want to get it right – or just don't want to be the center of the next firestorm – here are a few suggestions.

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