It’s not about whether the community actually skirts the line or not. It’s about how many people thought “gee, someone thinks these pictures are CSAM-adjacent, I need to go see for myself”. That’s disheartening.
leigh
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Sometimes they go together, sometimes they don’t.
Oh nooooooes, a disaster!!!!
🙄🙄🙄
Yeah, see, it’s that conflation of “emotional” and “not thinking clearly” that bothers me. Those aren’t the same thing, despite the dominant cultural narrative to the contrary. Sometimes they go together, sometimes they don’t.
I am very disheartened by the number of people replying here who read “a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM” and felt the need to go purposefully seek out that community to look through its images.
is this concern based in fact, or emotion?
Ada was clear in another comment thread that yes, emotion was absolutely involved in her decision. That isn’t a bad thing. Why is there a social attitude that decision-making is only valid if it’s cold and unfeeling?
Personally I’m in the camp of “let consenting adults do adult things”
Me too. I don’t think anyone is arguing against that. Anyone can still access LemmyNSFW’s content elsewhere, Blahaj Zone simply isn’t going to relay it anymore because some of it is incompatible with Ada’s goals in nurturing this community.
But if it is in fact legal, and well moderated, then is there a problem?
Yes. Legality has nothing to do with acceptability. This instance already bans lots of content that doesn’t actually violate any laws. It’s a judgment call.
Congrats!! 🥳
No, really, I used to end with negative scores all. the. time. 😅
Honestly without anyone citing the actual post in question it's literally impossible for any of us to make up our own minds on the content. All we have is one admin's word vs another.
Sure, but this isn’t a poll. This is an admin decision that has been made. I appreciate knowing that she made it and why. And if the material looks like CSAM to her — even if it’s actually not — then of course she wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) point anyone to it.
At the same time it does kinda seem like the blahaj admins wanted to defederate anyway and finally found a convenient scapegoat
She doesn’t need a scapegoat, she’s the Blahaj Zone admin. If she’d wanted to defederate with them before today, nothing was stopping her. To the contrary, a request had already been made for this action about a month ago and Ada said “I haven’t seen any reports coming through for content from that instance, which makes it hard to choose to defederate, because I haven’t seen any examples of the problems you describe to get a sense of how the admins are responding.”
it seems odd that one would completely defederate an entire instance over a single post.
Except she didn’t. She defederated because of the LemmyNSFW admins’ response (or lack thereof) to the problematic content they were federating outward and thus got copied onto a storage device that Ada is responsible for. She clearly doesn’t need the ethical nor the potential legal headaches.
People act like defederation is some horrible thing, but really, it’s one of the things that makes the Fediverse so good. Centralized platforms have executives that have to answer to the entire user base plus advertisers, and everyone is stuck with their decisions. On Lemmy, instance admins make the best decisions for the community they want to build, and any user who doesn’t like it can set up a secondary account or fully migrate to another instance that fits their needs better without losing access to their social network.
I enjoy NSFW content, but I certainly don’t want to stumble into “how close to CSAM can we get while staying technically legal?” content. And the bullshit lie about this being “body shaming” pisses me off.
This admin decision obviously isn’t up for a vote, but it’s just so obviously the right call. Thank you Ada for handling this, and I’m sorry (in the Canadian way, not the guilty way 😉🇨🇦) you had to see any of that.
Yes, avoiding to the best of my ability. Some of us are or have friends/family who are immunocompromised. People are still dying from COVID even though it’s not front-page news anymore in most wealthy nations. And long COVID is no joke, either — a lot of people have been seriously disabled by it.
Hate? I think that’s too strong a word, but I certainly feel disdain and anger toward them. Safe and reliable vaccines would have been considered absolute miracles in the not-that-long-ago past, but they don’t offer total protection to anyone on an individual basis — it requires widespread adoption. Like it or not, we’re all in this together: infectious diseases don’t give a flying duck about “individual freedom”, and prior to COVID these selfish so-and-so’s undid the eradication of measles in the US.
Truthfully, bigotry and harmful content should be reported, not downvoted. 🙂 Our local admins are very responsive, and they’ll defederate from any other instances that sanction or defend that stuff.
Don’t be disingenuous. Genuine consent practices also consider that not everyone else consents to witnessing their play, so they don’t do it where it’s not welcomed. And it’s not welcomed on Blahaj Zone, in this case. That’s all.