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If we follow the logic of “doing your job” = “quiet quitting” then you need to call it “quiet suffocating”.

OK, one more time: there is no FSD. Dismissing official tests and putting them in quotes is Covidiot argumentation style.

We can only judge what Tesla puts out to be tested officially and what they put on the market - which is non-working rain sensors, road sign recognition, etc. pp. On top of that you have shoddy workmanship.

Just stop peddling these shit videos and go drive one yourself. Also you are again spewing bullshit you have no idea about with ridiculous confidence. You’ve proven yourself a liar only 2 comments ago - you lost all credibility.

Tesla used to be ahead of the market a couple of years back - not any more. Also since Elon completely lost his mind and stopped letting his betters run the show decline got worse.

Yep, in Germany I drove a rental A4 across the country sometimes doing 244. Speed sign recognition & adaption worked was well as driver assistance (Teslaspeak: FSD Autopilot which will be available next year, trust me bro) as well as - and this will be shocking to a Tesla fanboy (which you totally aren’t) - the rain sensors! On top of that the car had working park assistance, incredible!

At this moment I don’t think we’ll ever see a Tesla that’s legally allowed to do that. In fact I think it is likely that the dozen+ Chinese companies coming on the western EV market right now in addition with German car makers finally getting around to deliver the good stuff as well as what Korea delivers mean bad news for Tesla. Vision only blindly into doom.

Going by official testing authorities Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Ford, Hyundai, Genesis, Nio, and a couple of others are better.

From personal experience I can say Audi, Ford (Mustang Mach E), Hyundai, Nio and Jaguar beat Tesla hands down. The GWM Ora beat Tesla in the majority of features, not sure about driving assistance though. The Nio was particularly fantastic, there’s a good chance it’ll be my next car in 3 years or so.

Edit to add: I did not test drive a Mercedes myself as the EV models within budget were either too big or too expensive.

I’m aware that I was not my politest in this conversation but my last comment wasn’t meant to be dickish in any way. Sorry if it came across as such.

Also I did not say you are a Tesla fanboy but you are clearly misinformed by Tesla fanboys. The Tesla community is also well known for its sometimes toxic fanboys. That does not mean that all of them are like this though but it’s a thing.

Please take the following advice, not me being a dick or trying to be condescending:

When you watch better YT channels you’ll notice that no manufacturer offers FSD. Tesla sells “potential FSD” since more than a decade. See for yourself by going on tesla.com and opening the order form or check out one of the YouTube videos showing Elon promising FSD to be happening ‘soon’ year after year after year. At this point I don’t think we’ll ever see a FSD Tesla.

Also you’ll see Tesla isn’t the best by a long shot.

As for test drives: Just because you don’t intent to buy one doesn’t mean you can’t test drive one. I buy used cars on general principle but do the test drives on current models - a dealership that sells both used and new cars prefers you drive a designated test car. Just give it a try.

Then you should test drive some EVs yourself - it is very eye-opening. I also recommend watching YT channels that test different brands and aren’t caught in the fanboy trap.

Voyager/iOS has no issue with any of the link formats.

You don’t need to “jerk” the wheel.

Yes, you do. One of the reasons I didn't end up buying a Tesla.

You only need to touch it gently.

That's true for any other manufacture but Tesla. Stop lying.

For people not familiar with the wheel-jerk required by Teslas:

This is because level 2 is “hands on” system.

No, it's because it's a Tesla. Other manufacturers, including Mercedes, have sensors in the steering wheel so "You only need to touch it gently.". Again on (all) others, not Teslas.

" only the cabin camera that’s monitoring you."

Some current cars do have (Lidar based?) driver monitoring as this is set to become law. The car checks whether you pay (enough) attention. Test drive a GWM Ora - it's fucking annoying. No worries though, this will never work properly in a Tesla.

No one is making any claims about how fast Mercedes Drive Pilot should go. (...) I’m simply stating that it can’t go over 40mph.

Please re-read this, does it still make sense to you?

I could return the accusation of being disingenuous but that falls short as claiming a Mercedes does 64 on ACC/assited driving is just fucking stupid. 64 is to slow to be on the Autobahn.

Tesla ACC (Autopilot my ass) manages to ‘drive’ 130km/h, while requiring you jerk the wheel every few seconds. The 2015 VW Passat I used to drive supported 160km/h and I didn’t have to jerk the dam steering wheel. Granted it did not have lane assist (Autopilot in Teslaspeak). Still, claiming a Mercedes not doing at least 220km/h using assisted driving is just silly.

One more anecdote: couple of weeks ago I rented a current Audi A4, the ‘Autopilot’ took the car to 244km/h - I decided to not push it further even though it was legal. That was just an A4!

Teslas add dangerous because the car - very much like the company CEO - is claiming it can do things which it ultimately can’t. When it fails and the and you, the driver, can’t compensate you’re on the newspaper.

OP is referring to this story:

https://jalopnik.com/heres-more-proof-tesla-faked-its-cybertruck-vs-porsche-1851481714

Yet another lie by Elon/Tesla.

I thought Elon is what you get when ordering Tony Stark from Wish but this is better.

Almost no one in your bubble/perception unfortunately. There are still lots of people that are only aware of him being a POS but still think he’s a genius.

It’s Porsche. Sorry to be that guy but that bothers me.