greggm2000

People have been saying at least 2 of those things for many decades now, so far it hasn’t happened. What’s 2 more.. or 4 or 6 more (you left some obvious ones out)?

Best to put those worries aside, bc if one doesn’t, why do anything?

Next gen 5090 is ready but delay due to new structures on 3nm TSMC

Got a cite for this? I haven't heard someone claim this.

Maybe the limit of technology has come. Media talks 2nm maybe over 2030.

No, I really doubt we are close to the limit. 3d in various forms is the way things are going at that level, and that's only one way to approach the various problems that I'm not educated enough to have a reasonable opinion on. Besides, it seems to me like every time some prognosticator says that we've reached a technological limit when it comes to computing, they've been wrong... when one approach plateaus, we find another that doesn't.

Media talks 2nm maybe over 2030.

I don't think we can make any reasonable predictions about how nodes will progress (or not) that far out.

It all depends on how aggressive NVidia chooses to be. It could be quite a bit better price-performance than 5%.. it almost has to be, else what's the point of the refresh in the first place?

We might all be pleasantly surprised. If NVidia thought the pricing on the existing 4080, 4070 Ti, and 4070 GPUs was fine, they wouldn't bother bringing out a refresh. They do this instead of just lowering prices, because they don't want to create a precedent in buyer's minds that if they just wait on buying existing cards, prices will come down. Yes, I know, it's very transparent to us, but not to most consumers. Plus, a refresh creates some marketing buzz.

Now, how much prices (for certain performance tiers) will go down is the big question. How aggressive does NVidia want to be? We'll see in a month and a half!

I bought a 4080 at about the same as you bought your card. How I look at it is: I (and you) got a worse deal than if we waited 5 months, but at the same time, we both got the use of a better GPU compared to what we used before, for all that time, and that's worth something.

Me, no regrets, not really.

I think they'll drop prices some.. they almost have to, otherwise why even bring out the "Super" lineup in the first place. 4080-tier cards sell badly bc they are way overpriced and this is way to fix that. Arguing against myself though is that NVidia have done boneheaded things before, and this might be one of them, so maybe you're right and they'll even raise prices.

I really hope that the rumors that are talking an aggressive price drop to stop AMD's momentum in mid-tier GPUs are accurate.

I'm hopeful that the NVidia "Super" refresh will move things at least a little bit in the right direction... which it might. I guess we'll see in a month and a half.

Fair enough! Next gen arrives in late 2024, so at that point we should all have much better choices.

Nearly everything will be better than a 1070, these days :)

I agree, those were bad times. Still are in a certain sense, since it showed NVidia how much more people (in general) were willing to pay for GPUs.. we’re all still paying the price for that.

I think buying any new GPU in 2023 that only has 8GB of VRAM is a mistake. This is an unwise purchase, unless you’re content with 1080p and middling graphics quality.. and maybe not even then. Still, it’s your money. You held out for a “really good card” in the past, which was smart. So why change that now?

But a 4060 Ti isn’t a “really good card”, I certainly wouldn’t dispute that, if you remove that requirement, there are options.

Really I just want to spend £350 or so on a really good card like the 1070 was back then.

I don't think that's realistic. The industry has changed, and GPUs cost more, for a bunch of reasons. You might be waiting for a very long time.

I think 16 cores per CCD will be a Zen 6 thing. They might do a 8 core Zen 5 + 16 core Zen 5c part, though.