Plavatos

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[–] Plavatos 2 points 2 months ago

FWIW I didn't down vote you, but I don't think all malice is equal. Driving with a heart condition or narcolepsy and killing someone isn't the same as driving through a crowd to get revenge.

[–] Plavatos 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I just don't see the comparison the OP made here. I'm willing to relent that Britain has done more harm than good to India but I'm no expert so I'd defer to someone smarter here.

But the even crazier thing is that the article isn't even talking about famine caused by the British Raj... No, they're saying Churchill was the aggressor and Hitler was pushed into a fight he didn't want. And the craziest part is the statement that the concentration camps were mercy kills to prevent starvation.

[–] Plavatos 8 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Looked it up, referring to this?

Churchill’s policies to blame for millions of Indian famine deaths, study says

I think the major difference here is malice. Did Churchill set out cause these deaths or was it greed and/or stupidity? Honest question worth discussion, I haven't heard of this prior.

[–] Plavatos 11 points 2 months ago

I don't normally reply with something so blunt but this is a pretty shitty comment. This kind of half speak rhetoric is a major issue causing misinformation and its usage is far too pervasive.

And I'm not even saying you're wrong but if you want to prove the point the burden is on you.

[–] Plavatos 152 points 2 months ago (34 children)

I don't think it bodes well she sat with Putin at a conference, whether there was "language barriers" or not.

[–] Plavatos 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, might be cliche but I agree. The soldier buried here can't speak for their position, leave them to rest.

[–] Plavatos 4 points 2 months ago

Saying the article is old is like saying don't bring up Reaganomics... the impacts are still being felt, there's still relevance.

And I linked it to suggest that these fringe candidates are still being picked and losing, perhaps as a long term effect of the strategy.

[–] Plavatos 9 points 3 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Generally, it is more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one.

This sums it up nicely, and why I think he's like any bully: he picks his fights and only ones he can win.

[–] Plavatos 3 points 3 months ago

Have to say, that is a pretty clean first layer, kudos!

[–] Plavatos 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You have the moral high ground, I concede.

[–] Plavatos 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

And you yourself have not been guilty of seething? Regardless of your answer a conservative would likely say the same about the left as you just did.

I'm just suggesting everyone enjoys rage bait and it's not serving us or giving us a realistic picture of the truth. And I used a proverbial analog for the villain: fill in the blanks to your hearts content from context (landlords raising prices, food producers and shrinkflation, CEOs taking bonuses and fighting minimum wage increases).

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