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Oh that's neat! Can I see the downvotes on a mobile? Long press or ... doesn't seem to do anything and I'm out of ideas to try.

The difference between PieFed's approach and Lemmy's, especially after the upcoming 0.19.6, is that Lemmy seems to catch up eventually, whereas PieFed never will no matter how much time passes - is that correct?

So if what is desired is a "search for existing post", that function would go better into the search box, while if what is desired is "import existing post", yet that is impossible then perhaps simply not offer that rather than confuse people by offering a halfway measure, thereby leaving only the "find non-existing post", which now that I think about it, especially since it needs an external URL to trigger it, is that really even something that anyone would want? i.e. if the goal is to "view" it, and someone must go to Lemmy in order to do so, then so be it (it is the same on smaller, newer Lemmy instances too), but since it cannot be imported (properly/fully), then don't? Well, it's a thought anyway!:-)

I see nothing wrong with that plan.:-)

Damn, the last one might be the one!? :-P

Whenever I see this one, I cannot help but think of my favorite gif, which is not even a meme:

Edit: and while I am at it, the favorite gif of a friend too:

It does not though. I made a post the other day from the StarTrek.website instance and couldn't figure out if nobody had upvoted or commented on it, then tried to look it up on my regular discuss.online instance where it didn't exist, then went further to look it up on Lemmy.world (where the community is located) and saw that tens of people had. I wasn't able to respond to any of those at first though, until it caught up on an instance where I already had an account (edit: except I could not do that from the StarTrek.website instance where I had made the post from, bc it hadn't seen the comment yet even the next day - so I had to do it from a third instance involved in all this.)

And that wasn't even the only time that very same day that I saw a post existing/not existing and/or having a different number of comments and differences in voting counts. Perhaps 0.19.6 will help with some of these issues, at least on Lemmy but then PieFed, Mbin, and eventually Sublinks are still going to have to figure things out on their own as well.

So I am glad that things are going well for you who I note is on Lemmy.world, but the rest of the Fediverse is definitely struggling, in part because rather than in spite of that centralization. Also I note that Lemmy.world federating smoothly within itself doesn't even count in my book as "federation" at all! That's just Reddit 2.0 with everything on a single server, with all the benefits and pitfalls which that entails.

More generally when the subject is man vs. bear, and someone chooses bear, it doesn't help to simply laugh at those making that choice. Maybe we should listen, and maybe even expend efforts to make changes to become more welcoming for more people that would absolutely love to get off of the likes of Reddit, X, Threads, or Facebook?

That's my 2¢ anyway.

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That's very interesting, thank you for taking the time to explain!

Votes: yes I've noticed that a good deal of what I see has +1 vote added to it - including your comment here. In one case it was so deep and delivered within seconds before I saw it that it convinces me that it is due to a systemic bug. Also when I return to a page after making a comment, sometimes I see replies that I could swear that I had upvoted, but it does not show the green indicator for that, and it allows me to vote again. Fwiw, I have "vote privately" set to OFF.

Separately for voting, I would hope to see both up and downvotes displayed - I often have replies at "1", and I have to go to the source Lemmy to get the information as to whether it is truly just unvoted on entirely or more likely it was a balance of +1 and -1, sometimes +2 and -2, and more rarely but definitely happens that sometimes it's +3 and -3. Or other similar scenarios like +7 and -5, for a certain award-winning video I shared but that people did not universally seem to enjoy. The downvotes are still "information" and present a form of "active engagement" that merely showing the total score hides away.

Old posts: if I could suggest something, maybe it would be better to only "view" an older post - so like retrieve it only into a temporary location, and then discard later - without trying to retain it and present it to users as if it were really there. Perhaps that would increase consistency and therefore build more trust in the system, when information is not there sometimes and not there other times, but consistently absent always prior to a certain date and then afterwards always there and up to date. Though that seems to go beyond Lemmy's functionality, and yet being better is the point:-).

Anyway, I hope this was interesting and it may help me work out the language on some of these issues before I post them in piefed_meta, so it's definitely interesting and helpful for me:-).

Now to press the "Comment" button and hope that I don't accidentally hit the Leave button instead, thereby discarding all that I typed as well as kicking me out of this community, as I did earlier today somewhere, whoopsie!:-)

Okay but... obligatory "gVim offers the best of both worlds by offering use of a mouse if you want it". There are also native ports for Mac OSX and Windows, etc.

Vim, in contrast, is a command-line program, suited for e.g. working with a text file on a remote server that may not even be running an X-windows interface, or maybe the user simply did not bother to connect to it:-).

Okay, we may now proceed with the humorous jesting:-).

At least she merely skipped it, rather than unleashed a spread of unlimited photon torpedoes against it!

Broaden your mind.

There is more than one Lemmy.ml admin:-).

Hrm, I see. But that block seems to just set Lemmy's default "user-level instance blocking", which does not block users from the instance, only communities. i.e., it's the same as the Lemmy web UI, and in it I see that I've already blocked Lemmy.ml, for all the good that it does - which I mean to say is not much.

So I meant here that the app does not provide additional functionality beyond the web UI, to do something that the web UI can or will not.

And this is why I don't want to write a post about this topic - it's terribly confusing, with so many fine-grain details that can trip someone up. This would be better written by a team of people who each know more about the various aspects, i.e. the different apps and methods of accessing the Fediverse. But at least here I offered what little I do know personally.

So aside from waiting for code changes, and pointing out some issues whenever I see them, do you have suggestions for things to do in the meantime?

One seems to be: don't pull in posts manually like that - b/c for one thing, doing it that way means that the comments will never come. Then again, waiting for automated federation syncing seems unlikely to work either. Basically old posts are a lost cause at this point, without admin assistance? Also, I did not notice this at first, but the 3 posts that were already in that community prior to me pulling in the other 2 posts 2 days ago likewise have zero comments in them. Though newer - but not older - voting seems to be taking place, yet starting from a zeroed mark (at the time of the pull?) rather than the proper count on the original instance. e.g. the one by Blaze has 2 (is there a way to view this broken down by up & down separately?) rather than 43, and the dunk_tank one has zero rather than 13, and none of the other posts in that entire community show up. Also the ones that I pulled in have altered counts as well - e.g. the BonesOfTheMoon one now has -2, when the original instance displays -12.

To me this seems an argument to abolish the entire pulling in posts manually feature altogether, until and unless it is changed to pull it in "properly", i.e. with all comments and vote counts intact. Otherwise, this is at minimum highly confusing to people and realistically it is even "misinformation", is it not? e.g., in a hypothetical scenario, a post could have +1000 upvotes, but then someone pulls it in, and it receives 5 downvotes, making the total vote count as "-4" (since it would go through zero I would presume?), which would represent a fully qualitative rather than merely quantitative change in the presentation of such a post. +1000 minus 5 is a totally different "type" of change (barely noticable) than 0 minus 5 (finalizing at outright disliked, yet mostly ignored).

It would be better to have nothing at all than to present things in a confusing manner such as this. Ofc, this is not unique to PieFed - I see similar struggles on my own posts between StarTrek.website and Discuss.Online and Lemmy.World, with variations of vote counts and even number of contents - though the difference is that Lemmy eventually catches up, while it seems that you are saying that PieFed never will?

If space is the limiting issue, then delete everything after a cutoff like 6 months or a year. If network bandwidth is the issue then... I dunno about that, but that's the task that must be worked out. Perhaps Lemmy's upcoming update to 0.19.6 offering batch updates rather than sending each individual one alone will help? This isn't a minor issue imho - this is the kind of stuff that will turn people away. Although if it is on the books to be worked on at a later time that's understandable.

Thank you very much for the suggestion about Safari - I never use that browser, but that's good to know. Fwiw, I also notice the same behavior on Firefox as on Chrome. And on Android Firefox I can go back just fine. So it's not specific to Chrome, and I doubt it is fully specific to Mac though that could be the major one affected.

Btw Lemmy captures the back button properly when you have started to write a comment and it asks you if you are sure that you want to leave and thereby lose that. PieFed I suspect isn't doing quite that but there may be something along the lines of where the focus is placed in order to provide the keyboard shortcuts, or something I dunno. I know basic syntax of HTML, CSS, and a tiny bit of JavaScript, plus Java, C++ and many other languages, but who can keep up with the modern web these days - it's a shitstorm of everything affecting everything else, and even the browsers themselves seem to DGAF to make things "just work" anymore, even on Windows but all the more so everywhere else.:-(

One thing I would argue should be changed is that when making a reply, the Comment box should automatically receive focus. Eventually the entire process of making a comment should be made in-line so as not to disrupt the browsing experience, but that's a small change that should be easy to make and would help. I will keep a list of small things like that in case such suggestions could help:-).